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Software Version 11.0f and 11.0g

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by CraigK, Mar 17, 2010.

  1. Mar 26, 2010 #81 of 274
    SCSIRAID

    SCSIRAID Active Member

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    Yup... I wonder if my wife would notice If I switched TiVo's with her :D
     
  2. Mar 26, 2010 #82 of 274
    xnappo

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    I have it at the point of entry of the cable to my house. It is actually kinda hokey - I have a forward path amp back to back with a return path amp. Note that the store I mentioned has bi-directional amps as well.

    My cable modem (which always worked fine) is also not having to push itself as hard - it is noticeably cooler than before.

    xnappo
     
  3. Mar 26, 2010 #83 of 274
    Stormspace

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    Before I returned my TA and CC's FOX would go out on me regularly. (In my area most everything is SDV and all digital, but not necessarily HD) I'd come home to a blank recording, one hour of gray screen. Since I dropped digital channels my TiVo once again works flawlessly and with some of the money I saved I added a Netflix account. Kids and Wife like the Netflix better than digital cable.
     
  4. Mar 26, 2010 #84 of 274
    bobbythegeek

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    Stuck with 11.0d. I'm really looking forward to 11.0f, because my S2 can't see either HD box with their TAs. Just another reason to dislike TAs.
     
  5. Mar 26, 2010 #85 of 274
    SCSIRAID

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    An hour of gray screen? Was this an analog channel?
     
  6. Mar 26, 2010 #86 of 274
    Phantom Gremlin

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    That's really an interesting nugget of information for people with return path problems.

    But I would like to suggest that it may make more sense to concentrate on fixing the return path. E.g. right now my return power is 44.7 dBmV. Because of how dB works, having to transmit at 54 dB requires 10 times the power of 44 dB. To me that's "just wrong".

    I'd investigate your in-house coax arrangement. Perhaps you have many cascaded splitters, or some bad connections. I do have several cascaded splitters, but as you can see by my numbers, I don't need anywhere near the amount of power you do.

    But maybe you're just "at the end of the line" wrt the cable company.
     
  7. Mar 26, 2010 #87 of 274
    xnappo

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    Completely agree and I should have said that. You want your return path below 50, preferably around 45db - and you should definitely start by eliminating/combining splitters and checking your cables. I have a long cable run, combined with a lot of splitters for my MoCA setup that really drove the need for an amp.

    xnappo
     
  8. Mar 28, 2010 #88 of 274
    bicker

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    This is about the most outrageously xenophobic rant I've seen in a while. I know "Apu" (actually, for our product, it's "Ram" and "Arhendu" and a bunch of others) and I know not only do they care about the quality of their code, but they understand the context of customer use for the system into which they're contributing code.

    However, thanks for promulgating the arrogant "Ugly American" vibe that so many of us have been trying to fight against for some many years.
     
  9. Mar 28, 2010 #89 of 274
    Stormspace

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    Could have been a black screen. What made it odd was that it wasn't listed as a failed recording and being on a network station the option to record it again wasn't available. On one occasion the show recorded on one of my S2s As well and the picture was fine.
     
  10. Mar 28, 2010 #90 of 274
    SCSIRAID

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    A black screen would be just as puzzling. Typically, If TiVo mistunes and doesnt lock onto the signal, there is no mpeg stored and the show is 'zero' length and just disappears with the 'video signal not available' message. If it was a digital channel and the green progress bar shows the right show length and you can trickplay thru 'black' then it sounds like there is mpeg there and it could be a problem upstream. If it were analog... I could understand.
     
  11. Mar 29, 2010 #91 of 274
    Phantom Gremlin

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    We will just have to agree to disagree.

    I've worked with many smart foreign-born engineers here in the USA. By and large, these people have been quite knowledgeable, quite competent. Many have even started successful high-tech companies (especially in the Bay Area), which has been great for America.

    However, I've seen other-continent outsourcing "in action" at multiple companies and on multiple projects. IMO on balance it hasn't gone well at all. Some mediocre results, some poor results, rarely anything "good" or "great". It's done because it's cheap and it's a lot easier for a big company to contract stuff out than to add employees. Not because there's any expectation of "care about the quality of their code".
     
  12. Mar 29, 2010 #92 of 274
    LoREvanescence

    LoREvanescence Always Autocorrected

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    A black screen is puzzling but I can see how it could happen. I have not experience exactly the same thing on my S3, but I have seen it stop on a still picture 10 minutes into the recording, and the same still picture stayed on the screen until the end of the 30 minute recording. It was not a partial recording. So, if something were to happen where the screen was black when this situation occurred I could see this happening.

    It happened to me more then once when I had my s3 hooked up to comcast a few years ago while living on my universities campus. I know the tv signal was good as well because, even though I had gone to bed and was recording the program, my roommate had it on and I could hear it the audio where was when I played back my recording the next day, I only had the first 10 minutes, then a still screen with no audio for the next 20 minutes.

    Not sure how to explain this at all.
     
  13. Mar 29, 2010 #93 of 274
    dlfl

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    I agree a failed recording due to 'video signal not available' is typical, but as I said in post #78:
    This is for a (digital) SDV channel.
    By "blank" I mean black, with no audio. I don't remember for sure if I tried to trick-play it, but I think I skipped through it to see if it was blank all the way through.
     
  14. Mar 29, 2010 #94 of 274
    squiddohio

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    That's strange. When my TA goes on the fritz, it shows it as recording, but "play" displays a black screen. When the program is over, nothing is saved to the Now Playing List. (I guess the TiVo won't save a zero length file.) So it will "record" a program from a SDV station without the TA operating, but it will not "save" it.
     
  15. Mar 29, 2010 #95 of 274
    SCSIRAID

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    Now THAT I have seen multiple times.... Not just a single picture but starting and stopping thru the show.... audio is fine all the way thru. but times of normal video and then frozen video with more frozen than normal.

    Have you only seen it on an S3 and not a THD? Are you on a 'stock' harddrive?
     
  16. Mar 29, 2010 #96 of 274
    SCSIRAID

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    Yes... if there is no mpeg coming from the demod, there is nothing to record.
     
  17. Mar 29, 2010 #97 of 274
    bicker

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    A company not inclined to pay more to get superior development resources is not likely to do so whether they are outsourcing to resources in other countries or hiring domestically either.
     
  18. Mar 29, 2010 #98 of 274
    LoREvanescence

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    Yes, I only have seen it on a S3 and not a THD. It has the stock hardrive plus a Western Digital MyDVR Expander drive.

    Once the still frame happens for me it stays for the rest of the recording, and there is no audio for me.
     
  19. Mar 29, 2010 #99 of 274
    Karl Childers

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    I've had a refurbished HD since 2/25/09. I consider myself extremely lucky since I've NEVER had a grey/black screen issue (even though I was on an anolog basic cable channel lineup without cable cards for 8 - 9 months); the only times (3x) I've had freezing issues was when my Internet connection "hiccupped" while streaming Netflix; and the only time my HD ever rebooted (outside of SW update installs) was when my roommate tripped the breakers in the garage while trying to weld something and then the HD became stuck on "Welcome, Powering Up." A simple reboot with the Ethernet cable unplugged enabled the TiVo to recover from that issue.

    My point in all of this: I think there can be something which can be said for the "factory-renewed" TiVos. I believe they go through more thorough testing than a regular unit on the production line would (random sample testing, perhaps) . . . but I could be completely wrong.

    I've been checking to see if I've grabbed the latest SW update . . . just out of curiosity. I still havent, despite many manual connections to the TiVo Service.

    We'll keep checking. . . .
     
  20. TiVoJerry

    TiVoJerry 00-16 TiVo Employee

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    Manual connections will only get you SW a couple hours earlier if done between the time you were auth'd and the time your DVR would make its next connection. DVR selection for rollout is randomized by location, so service connection times/frequency play no roll in the selection process.
     

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