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Software to change tivo files to mpeg.

Discussion in 'TiVo Home Media Features & TiVoToGo' started by caddyroger, Sep 2, 2009.

  1. twhiting9275

    twhiting9275 TV Buff!

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    And I am well within my rights to inform individuals of the flaming PROBLEMS with that software, and their support.
     
  2. Pawthorne

    Pawthorne New Member

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    Yup.. you've done that.. over and over.. and over..

    and over..

    and over..

    Oh.. and did I mention and OVER. I think we ALL know how you feel. Now go get your blankie and a bottle and watch Teletubbies as you have nothing more to add.
     
  3. lew

    lew Active Member

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    Get the VRD TV Suite. It'll also author/burn the DVD.






     
  4. dlfl

    dlfl Cranky old novice

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    Since the OP doesn't seem to be answering, I think what happened is that he can now run QSF with a dimension filter set and get an output file that will transfer back and play on his TiVo (??). I don't think he's saying the problem with VRD QSF crashing if you don't have a filter set is fixed. (??)
     
  5. lew

    lew Active Member

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    Not when the problem was solved with a re-install of your OS. The problem was caused by you. You're within your rights to be rude. You're not within your rights to engage in slander.



    There is a big difference between saying QSF produces output that can't be transferred back to tivo and saying having to use QSF is an extra step. A PITA. The first point reflects on the actual usability of the product. The second is nothing more then a comment on ease of use/ interface.
     
  6. perilousp69

    perilousp69 New Member

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    Not necessarily trying to add fuel to the fire, but the problem TW refers to is growing. It's now an issue in Desktop 2.7, causing freezes wherever the offending commercial is inserted by the cable company (in my case, FIOS).

    As more and more channels move to digital the problem with changing streams will get bigger and bigger. I started having it this month. Tried and tried with VRD and kept having the dimensions error. Thankfully, I tried before I bought.

    Still, I'm essentially stuck. My favorite shows (Stewart/Colbert) will not convert properly (freezes, audio sync problems). And no, I'm not recording the HD channel. But it is digital tier.

    This seems like something that's been coming for a while, and like some companies have been caught with their pants down.
     
  7. moyekj

    moyekj Well-Known Member

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    As stated before, Womble Mpeg Wizard does not have a problem with such streams, so there is a solution to the problem. Personally I have both VRD and Womble and each have their advantages, but Womble is the better/faster manual editor while VRD strengths are QuickStream Fix & Batch processing capabilities.
     
  8. dlfl

    dlfl Cranky old novice

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    Other VRD strengths:

    --- Built in conversion from TiVo to mpeg2 format.

    -- Built in ad detection.

    I believe you need separate programs for both these functions when using Womble, correct ?
     
  9. lew

    lew Active Member

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    I have FiOS. Every problem show was solved by running Quick Stream Fix first. It's an extra step, it takes extra time, but it works. Did your trial expire? Send them a message on their site and ask for an extra week. Try QSF with one of your problem shows. Go to the tools pull down. Select Quick Stream Fix and check the box that "eables filters".

    VRD wasn't caught "with their pants down". It would be nice if VRD automatically ran QF as needed.





     
  10. Pixel

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    Of course you are. Absolutely.

    But doing as much of it as you are will inevitably result in being ignored. The perception people will have of your postings is that all you ever post is negative, that your concerns, while perhaps valid, add nothing to the discussion. You make yourself irrelevant.

    I live near an airport. All the neighbors I know withing a mile or so of it, except 1, deal with it. Most people that can take the mitigation solutions offered (new windows, A/C, etc.) But not that one person. They make hundreds of complaints annually about the airport. I think that person means to have the airport closed down. Anyway, when community meetings are held with respect to neighborhood concerns, that person always attempts to hijack the meeting to focus on the airport to the exclusion of anything else. So nowadays, the person is completely ignored and shown the door when comments and questions from the audience are solicited by the speakers. They have become a laughingstock and completely shunned.

    The same thing can happen to you.


    BTW, I used VRD for editing commercials from OTA recordings made with my TIVO HD of local HD channels. For the past year or so, everythings been working great.
     
  11. dlfl

    dlfl Cranky old novice

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    I'm the author of TVAP (link in signature) which is a C# .NET program that automates VRD processing using the VRD COM interface and VB scripts. The COM interface for QSF (at least for TVSuite -- not sure about VRD Plus) has a function to set the dimension filter to be used during the QSF.

    Thus with rather simple editing of the QSF.vbs script that TVAP uses, you can trap videos by title-string comparisons and apply the (pre-determined) filter dimensions for your favorite shows. At least one TVAP user has been doing this and here is a link to a post on the VRD forums giving more detail.

    TVAP could be modified to read a table of title-match-strings and dimensions from a text file and apply filters accordingly (if there was user interest).

    I wonder about the possibility of integrating this into kmttg ?

    One caveat: Although I've had a THD for several months, I have yet to encounter a TTG file that has multiple dimensions. I can only TTG the network local channels (thanks Time Warner :rolleyes:). Can someone tell me a network program that usually has the dimension changes?
     
  12. lew

    lew Active Member

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    Usually happens with shows on cable networks (USA, ScFI, TNT..) and regional sports. I don't remember seeing the issue with primetime broadcast shows.

    TW found one solution to the issue.
     
  13. spocko

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    True. After playing with Womble a bit, my impression is that editing out commercials is easier and more intuitive in VRD. Womble advertises "Automatic Ad detection and removal" on their web site, but I don't see anything automatic about it. The manual suggests a manual process for finding and cutting commercials. They do have a tool that automatically scans for blanks and puts bookmarks, but then you have to manually assemble the scenes that you want in the timeline. VRD's approach to just finding and marking commercials on the timeline is easier.

    To be fair, Womble also seems to have some editing features that VRD lacks, so I can understand moyekj's comment about owning both.

    Edit:
    After playing with Womble more, I agree with what others have said below: manual editing in Womble is pretty fast and easy using the input window and the trim/cut functions. There is no need to deal with the timeline, bookmarks, or breaking the recording into multiple clips. Since manual editing can be done quickly, I don't think the lack of automatic ad detection is a big deal.
     
  14. moyekj

    moyekj Well-Known Member

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    Try Womble with an HD title. "Scrubbing" which is the process of quickly moving through the video to identify cut points is MUCH faster using Womble. With VRD there is quite a big lag when trying to quickly scrub through a video. It takes me about 2-3 minutes per hour of video to edit manually using Womble and about double that time using VRD, plus the frustration of not being able to quickly pinpoint cut points. Personally I don't use automatic Ad detection since I can identify the cut points faster and more accurately than any automated method. Starting from automatically identified commercials and correcting the mistakes usually takes longer than just doing it from scratch for me so I don't bother with that. With Womble you have to learn to use the timeline method of cutting out commercials. There are different ways of cutting out commercials and I think even the ones shown in the demos are not the way I do it (the demos use the input and output windows - I don't use the output window at all). Drag the title down to the timeline and do cuts there directly using the "scissors" icon and learn some of the keyboard shortcuts and you will begin to realize the power and speed of Womble. I can see for someone who started out with VRD before Womble the initial impression is that Womble is much harder to use.
     
  15. steve614

    steve614 what ru lookin at?

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    I recently downloaded and installed womble due to the free giveaway recently.
    I agree that if you use the ''scrub'' method of editing, it is faster.
    But because VRD was slow using the ''scrub'' method, especially when using thumnails, I just use the navigation buttons. Over time, I've learned the patterns used by various stations as to their commercial breaks.
    In fact, I prefer to manually edit out commercials rather than have ad detective do it.
    Why? Ad detective isn't perfect. I have to manually go through the entire video anyway to make sure ad detective made the right ''choices'' for cuts, I save time avoiding that.
    But I feel that I can still edit a show faster with VRD than I can with womble. Even the HD stuff. I guess that's because I'm used to VRD.
    As was said elsewhere, there is a steeper learning curve with womble than there is with VRD, however, from casual observation, there seems to be a lot more versatility. The ability to edit in your own subtitles, add in a voice over track and/or a separate music track. :up:
     
  16. Dan203

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    Too be honest I don't know. I'm just a developer who tries to help out with support when I can. All the business stuff is handled by someone else.

    However we do offer a 15 day free trial, which should be more then enough time for someone to try the software and figure out if it's useless to them or not. It sounds to me like twhiting9275 bought the software a while back when he only had a S2 and it worked fine. He then upgraded to an S3 and started to have this issue. So in either case I think he was long past any sort of "warranty period" their might be by the time he ran into the issue.

    But again I'm just a developer. If he wants to try to get a refund he'll have to send an e-mail to our support team so they can make that decision.

    Dan
     
  17. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    There are no fees for patches or minor upgrades. However we do usually charge an upgrade fee for new versions with added functionality. For example we do charge an upgrade fee to go from Plus to TVSuite because there are major feature difference between the two versions.

    Dan
     
  18. sm482

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    to dlfl: Two channels I consistently have the dimension change problem with are Comedy Central and USA.

    Nothing I've tried seems to work, and I have TVAP - it does the QSF, but it doesn't help me in processing the program through VRD TV Suite. It still hangs up. I'm very frusrated. I'm trying to make videos for my son, who is on deployment. I've even changed computers (from a Sindows Vista to my Windows XP) and then downloaded the TVAP to try to solve the problem when it reared it's ugly head two days later.

    Suggestions?
     
  19. twhiting9275

    twhiting9275 TV Buff!

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    Wrong, the problem is caused by the company itself. This is not slander, it is factual. The company has refused to update their product in a timely fashion to address this issue that has been growing on a constant basis. It's been known about for years.

    Just because the problem was partially resolved when I reformatted doesn't take away from the fact that the problem still exists. VRD has known about this for years and refused to step up and fix their product accordingly. This is nothing but laziness, pure laziness.

    The higher up channels are going to do this. I don't have problem one with standard (basic) channels (Fox, NBC, ABC, CBS, CW, etc), but when you get into the "family cable" area, then the problems start occurring, almost on a 100% basis

    If you run the video through VRD -> QSF and check 'enable filters', this should resolve it so that VRD can process the video. I would strongly suggest staying away from all other products if you're going to use VRD, because that's what ended up causing my own problems. By itself, VRD is fine (aside from the dimensions changed garbage), but it doesn't play well with others.
     
  20. reneg

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    I think most folks would underestimate by a couple of orders of magnitude. Keep up the great work. I use your product every day and am patiently waiting for H.264 support.
     

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