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So You Think You Can Dance "Top 20 performance pt 2" 7/18/2012 *spoilers*

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by murgatroyd, Jul 19, 2012.

  1. murgatroyd

    murgatroyd Don't stop believin'

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    Interesting reveal from Nigel tonight: the contestants draw numbers and get to CHOOSE their style from the backstage board -- that may explain why we were seeing numbers tonight by people performing in their own styles.

    I wasn't able to keep detailed notes tonight, so I won't post a recap now. In general, I would say that the performances seemed much stronger this week than last. And for me it is always MUCH more fun whenever Adam Shankman is on the judging panel.

    It'll be interesting to see what order people go home this season.

    More later.
     
  2. madscientist

    madscientist Deregistered Snoozer

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    Alexa gone in the first cut. That's got to hurt.

    I really like the new process where they have one show a week. There's just not enough there to do a full hour show on "who's going home". Just tell us: no need for 55 minutes of dramatic lead up. Most excellent format change!

    Liked the opening number but once again the camerawork frustrates me. It's annoying when there are only two dancers on the stage but it's completely infuriating when there are 20.
     
  3. Cainebj

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    I wonder if the lack of posting = the lackluster of the season so far.

    I somehow or other thought they alternated choreographer's each week so having Cheeseball and Sonya back again irked me. How can they possibly produce quality work at that speed? Oh - right.

    I am glad they saved who they did.

    I had a hard time even remembering who the ballroom boy was last night and with all the generic girls - I'm still not sure I knew who that one girl was.

    Ballet boy I never liked - during the auditions he was especially fond of himself.

    The shock on Alexa's face was classic.

    I still really like Cyrus but how messed up is it that his partner would get stuck with him for more than a week?
    He is great at what he does but not up to par of doing multiple styles.
     
  4. gschrock

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    I'm not entirely sure what I find more disturbing:
    a) using a Marilyn Manson song for the opening number
    b) that's there's actually a dance mix of said song
    or c) that that routine was NappyTabs

    I'm not against the music itself, just really surprised me to hear it on this show. And I thought for sure that that opening number was a Sonya routine.

    Cheeseman's routine was much better this week than the ones he had last week I thought. And I just didn't get either of Sonya's routines, although that's not necessarily an uncommon experience for me.

    The girls on this show are way too young, it's making me feel like a dirty old man.
     
  5. jehma

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    Nigel often sounds like a dirty old man during his reviews.
     
  6. murgatroyd

    murgatroyd Don't stop believin'

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    Now that I have time to watch it back, a recap:

    Top 20 group number. "The Beautiful People (District 78 remix)"(Marilyn Manson)

    I confess I spent the entire number trying to figure out which of the current choreographers was trying to channel Wade Robson. Was it Sonya? No, it was NappyTabs. Fun stuff, and well-danced, but it made me miss RamaLama.

    Lindsay and Cole w/Christopher Scott: "Teeth" (Lady Gaga)
    Nice performance from Cole, especially staying in character during the judges' notes. I agree with Nigel and Adam's comments. Not my favorite routine, but like Mary said, it was a fun way to start the show.

    Amelia and Will w/Sonya Tayeh, "3326" (Ólafur Arnalds):
    Nice to see Amelia get a slower piece of music, so she could have more of a chance to fill out the bars. I could see this one going on tour, and if it does, they'll just get better and better each time they do it. There's subtle stuff going on, hard to take it in all in one viewing. Definitely re-watchable. Liked Adam's comment about their size difference and how the disparity wasn't evident during the number.

    Amber and Nick w/Miriam and Leonardo: "Tanguera" (Sexteto Mayor): Look at this -- more stuff where people get to dance in their own style (reason why to be revealed later). Nick seems like a good ballroom dancer, as far as the technique goes, and yet there's something lacking. He just doesn't draw the eye. Yes, it's ballroom, the guy has to be the frame for the girl, etc., but you can't be invisible. You have to have some presence of your own. And if Leonardo can't bring it out in him, that's not a good sign. Looks like Adam agrees with me. And Mary's right, the hard stuff is hard as crap and he makes it look easy, but he doesn't make it "OMG I can't believe he's making it look that easy" WOW easy. It's not like he's coasting, but there's something just not there. Look at the parts where they aren't moving, where they are apart from each other. The poses should be crisper and the movement should have some tension in it, and instead of being silky like a cat about to pounce, they're just too soft. Very frustrating.

    Audrey and Matthew w/Sonya, "Hear Me Now (Dri, Lind and Likka Mix)" (Steed Lord): My, Audrey is bendy. Sonya, quit playing with your new toy and let the girl dance, okay? I like this routine and they danced it well, but I think they got the short end of the two-routines-in-a-week stick this week. For me, these two are still kind of neutral. I'm not going to groan when they come out to dance and I'm not going to cheer. I'm in the middle. I want to see what they can do -- especially, I want to see what else Audrey can do. We know she's got great lines and she can do the extensions that make us all go OUCH -- now what else can she do? I want more. And as for Adam's comments about Matthew -- I'm waiting to see if I agree. I need to see more.

    Janelle and Darean w/ Christopher Scott, "My Girl" (The Temptations): hard to argue against the judges' comments on this one. Charming, enjoyable in the moment. Memorable? Probably not.

    Janaya and Brandon w/Sean Cheesman, "Bring on the Men" (Linda Eder):
    The Rehearsal footage. OWWWWWWW!

    Kinda hard to establish a connection as a couple when the theme of the number is the guy trying to escape the girl. Nice character work. Fun number. Much more satisfying to watch than Sean's numbers from last week.

    Eliana and Cyrus w/ Tony and Melanie, "I'm Shakin'" (Jack White)
    Love Tony and Melanie's stuff but not this music. Put this one my "too bad I can't see the choreographers dancing this routine instead" list (along with the Argentine Tango from earlier). Not that Cyrus isn't trying, and I've seen a hell of a lot worse jives from untrained dancers on DwtS. I give him major props for not falling on his ass on some of those moves. Now Nigel reveals that the dancers pick numbers and the dancers get to choose their routines. Cyrus says they picked "7" and Nigel said there were three routines left on the board. What were they?:

    • Foxtrot
    • Argentine Tango
    • Jive
    • Bollywood

    :confused:

    We saw all those routines, so it's not like they had eleven to choose from and one was left over. So did they draw seven or six?

    Alexa and Daniel w/Dee Caspary, "So Long My Friend" (Yanni): The music choice. Ouch. Foreshadowing much? This failed bigtime for me, in part because I don't like routines where the props upstage the dancers, and in part because like Adam said, it was cold. Watching it again, I can see places where just little changes in Alexa's hands could have made all the difference in the world, chemistry-wise. But my reaction to the number was pretty much the same as some of the competitive routines I've seen on the ice, where I want to shake the coaches and shout into their faces: "you thought this music would bring out the best in your skater? REALLY?" I don't know how much impact this number could have had, even if Alexa and Daniel (or any of the other dancers, for that matter) had been able to sell it more. But given some of the moves in there, this number could have left the judges hollering "hey! get a (bath)room!" -- and it didn't.

    Tiffany and George, Foxtrot w/Tony and Melanie, "I Want to Be Loved by You" (Sinéad O'Connor):
    Okay, if you can't see why the judges like George this week, you aren't looking. OMFG. And all the stuff I was complaining about with presentation and stage presence, that Nick didn't have in the Tango? Both George and Tiffany are bringing it here. They look as if they've been dancing together forever. They made it look so easy, and gorgeous, gorgeous, gorgeous! What a pleasure to watch.

    Whitney and Cheon, w/Nakul, "Tandav Music" (Aatish Kapadia):
    BOLLYWOOD!

    Yeah, what a surprise, I agree with Adam.

    Interesting to me that so many of the moves like knee turns, that we've seen in earlier routines in unison, were done in sort of follow-the-leader style in this routine. I'll still like Joshua and Katee's Bollywood the best, I think, but this was fun, fun, fun.

    Elimination time:
    Bottom three girls: Janaya, Alexa, Whitney
    Bottom three guys: Nick, Daniel, Cheon

    Judges don't want to see anyone dance for their life.

    Step Up Revolution number fills the spot where the judges might have needed to deliberate. Really great to see Twitch killing it at the end.

    And the judges rescue: Whitney and Cheon.

    Not surprised to see Nick in the bottom three. Disappointed to see Daniel go, but someone has to go every week, and he would have been out eventually. When I saw they had paired him with Alexa, I knew he was a goner. Tough luck, mate.

    Not at all surprised to see Alexa in the bottom three. It's not like she wasn't warned about sleepwalking through her performances -- several times.

    Edited to add:

    So now we have Brandon Mitchell (the stepper) and Amber Jackson as new partners next week. Want to bet that we'll say "why weren't they partners all along?" once we see them together?
     
  7. jehma

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    Me too. It definitely had a Wade feel to it.

    I agreed with all of your review. The Bollywood was very entertaining, but not up to Katee & Joshua's. Of the dancers at risk, I was happy with who they rescued.

    Poor Eliana. Cyrus has a great personality, but I really hope he doesn't hold her back.

    I love watching Amelia & Will.
     
  8. That Don Guy

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    They mentioned this last week as well - I think Cat said it near the start of the show.

    If they drew 7, there would be four routines left (ten, minus the six done by numbers 1-6).

    Is the order of selection necessarily the same as the order of performance?

    BTW, not only did Cat score another Emmy nomination (and no Jeff Probst this year, but Betty White got nominated for Off Their Rockers), but the show did as well (for Reality-Competition Program, against The Voice, The Amazing Race, DWTS, Project Runway, and Top Chef - but not Survivor, Idol, or X Factor).
    Three choreographers also got nominated:
    Stacey Tookey (In This Shirt; Turning Tables; Heart Asks For Pleasure First)
    Christopher Scott (Misty Blue; Velocity)
    Spencer Liff (Whatever Lola Wants; Please Mr. Jailor; Where Do I Begin)
    (the other two nominations went to DWTS and Smash)
     
  9. jehma

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    I loved the Misty Blue number.
    One of the non SYTYCD ones was for Travis Wall.
     
  10. Cearbhaill

    Cearbhaill Garden obsessed

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    Not here- 8-10pm is a busy time for me and the husband has already gone to sleep, so we watch it the next night (tonight) unless I read about something really compelling.

    I mean I have it on while I am doing other things but am rarely able to give it my full attention. I usually rewind it just before it is over then fall asleep trying to watch.
     
  11. murgatroyd

    murgatroyd Don't stop believin'

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    Oh, duh. Nigel meant three numbers left after they picked. Thanks. :eek: (Sleep deprivation; it's a terrible thing.)

    Apparently not, because when Eliana picked the Jive, the Argentine Tango was still on the board, and the Argentine Tango was in the #3 position in the show order.

    And I'd expect the producers to choose what order the numbers went in after the final dress or tech run-through, so they could make sure they had a show-stopper number at the end, and a strong number to open the show.

    Edited to add: now wait a minute.

    Look at the board.
    • Hip-hop with Christopher Scott
    • Contemporary with Sonya Tayeh
    • Argentine Tango with Miriam and Leonardo
    • Jazz with Sonya Tayeh
    • Lyrical hip-hop with Christopher Scott
    • Broadway with Sean Cheesman
    • Jive with Tony and Melanie
    • Contemporary with Dee Caspary
    • Foxtrot with Tony and Melanie
    • Bollywood with Nakul

    Eliana drew #7 and picked from:

    • Jive with Tony and Melanie
    • Foxtrot with Tony and Melanie
    • Argentine Tango with Miriam and Leonardo
    • Bollywood with Nakul

    See what I'm seeing?

    #1: If Nick picked the Argentine Tango for himself, then that means he must have picked later than #7. I was assuming he had picked early and had snagged it for himself (and who could blame him, really?). I uncharitably thought that he had wimped out and wanted to stay in his own style. But no!

    #2: by the time Cyrus and Eliana picked, look at what's still left on the board: all the ballroom routines, plus the Bollywood. In short: all the hard stuff.

    There's 75% chance that by the time Nick and Amber chose their number, only ballroom routines were on the board.

    So that means all the dancers in positions 1-6 are the cowards, and I owe Nick an apology.

    Now I really, really, really want to know the order in which everyone picked.
     
  12. Cainebj

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    i really don't know the dancers yet because i seriously thought it was 3 partners/pairs in the bottom six. :eek:
     
  13. murgatroyd

    murgatroyd Don't stop believin'

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    Did you watch Vegas week?

    My experience is, it's impossible to try and learn the top 20 from scratch by watching the main show. I have to get to know some of them from watching the auditions and Vegas week first.

    Anyway, this is one of the HUGE changeups this year: people get to vote for the dancers separately, not in couples. I really wonder how the outcome of previous seasons might have changed if this rule had been in place all along.
     
  14. murgatroyd

    murgatroyd Don't stop believin'

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    Oh, speaking of Bollywood -- Nigel made a reference to Nakul sneaking in some of the Kathak style? And he wondered if Whitney had been watching videos of Amrapali Ambegaokar on YouTube?

    In reverse chronological order:

    here she is as a guest on SYTYCD:



    and from 2009, on Superstars of Dance:

     
  15. Kamakzie

    Kamakzie Are you serious bro?

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    Thanks murgatroyd for doing the thread. My PC died Wednesday so I was knee deep in figuring that out. I took a break last night and watched and it was entertaining but nothing really memorable comes to mind.
     
  16. That Don Guy

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    I have a feeling they decided to switch to "vote for individuals" because otherwise, how do you vote for a couple consisting of two people whose partners were just eliminated?

    Question: are the routines shorter this year? Normally, it takes the entire two hours to do a group opening number plus 10 duets, but this time, they got them done in about 90 minutes.

    Also, the way Nigel originally announced it when Fox announced there would be only one episode per week, the plan might have been to inform each dancer of their bottom six status immediately after their routine; IMO, the way it is actually done, by announcing them all at once after all of the routines, is much better, as you don't have dancers treating their routines as a "dance for your life" if they know they're in the bottom three (or, alternatively, "playing it safe" if they know they're not).
     
  17. murgatroyd

    murgatroyd Don't stop believin'

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    No problem -- good luck getting your computer stuff worked out.

    When you get a chance, do go back and watch the Foxtrot again. So nice. And George's turns are just unreal.
     
  18. gschrock

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    Thanks, the list of Emmy nominations I saw didn't have the choreographers listed, and I honestly couldn't remember who did the ones listed. I'll have to go back and take a look at what those routines actually were at some point.
     
  19. dbranco

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    I think they are 'stuck' with the same partners until one of the duo is eliminated. Then they get paired with the other lone dancer whose partner was eliminated.

    My bet is that if Cyrus and Eliana end up in the bottom group, she'll be saved so that she can finally show her full potential when paired with an experienced partner.
     
  20. That Don Guy

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    Yes. This is intentional. They tried random partners in the first season or two, switching after each week, but after too many mismatches, they let the producers and choreographers decide on the initial couples (as I like to say, "Do you think Twitchington was an accident?"), and if a week's eliminations are from two different couples, they pair up the survivors.
     

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