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So what happens now with late night TV?

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by argicida, Feb 6, 2014.

  1. Feb 10, 2014 #61 of 167
    Ereth

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    What I find odd is that I used to like Leno's standup, and I liked him as guest host when it was the Carson show. But after it became his own, I rapidly lost interest in it. Somehow it became almost a parody of himself, telling really lame jokes and then laughing at them as if they were really clever.

    I still liked Headlines, though.
     
  2. Feb 10, 2014 #62 of 167
    JYoung

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    The theory has been floated in the past that comedians tend to hate Leno because he doesn't seem to have the demons that others do.
    He's got a seemingly loving and stable marriage, doesn't appear to have substance abuse issues, and by most accounts, comes across as a really nice guy to people.

    I suspect that they've missed the possibility that Leno is horribly insecure and this manifests itself in the workaholic ways and wanting to be liked by everyone.

    I was reading this retrospective of Leno hate (those Leno haters reading this thread, feel free to bask in the hate) and two things jumped out at me:

    and

     
  3. Feb 10, 2014 #63 of 167
    TIVO_GUY_HERE

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    I see Leno's standing Sunday night show at the Comedy and Magic club in Hermosa Beach is sold out till March. Would of liked to see his show last night.

    edit: If I still lived there. I've seen him a few times, don't think it was ever sold out, and most time, got free tickets with just the 2 drinks required.
     
  4. Feb 10, 2014 #64 of 167
    Michael S

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    mattack

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    Yeah, I've said the same thing. His appearances on Letterman's show were absolutely hilarious, and I liked him as a guest host... so at the time I briefly liked that he got the TS, since it would mean two "good" shows. But he just got really bland. While Letterman too is admittedly sort of a pale imitation of his former self, he at least makes fun of it when he recycles jokes. (Actually, even though this was one of the things forced on him by his evil agent, I liked that Leno originally had 2 songs from musical performers -- at least if I liked the musician!)

    I don't watch entire shows of any of the others. I watch very little of Ferguson, who everybody else seems to love.. I record it and others for a funny bit once in a while or musical guests.

    Fallon does sort of seem like Letterman in the early days -- doing wacky stuff just to be wacky, and his game show bits and parodies are excellent.
     
  7. Feb 11, 2014 #67 of 167
    JYoung

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    Turtleboy

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    Me neither. I wonder how much that has to do with NBC v. CBS's lead in.

    These days, I'm an old man and go to bed before any of them. However, I TiVo Daily Show (which I always watch), Letterman, and Conan - which I'll sometimes watch.

    Jon Stewart's ratings are great considering he's on cable.
     
  9. Feb 11, 2014 #69 of 167
    Turtleboy

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    smak

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    I think the difference between Leno and Letterman is that Leno wants to please everybody, and Letterman only wants to please himself.

    -smak-
     
  11. Feb 11, 2014 #71 of 167
    smak

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    If I were a betting man, and I am, I would bet that Leno will become a "regular" on Dave's show. Appearing a couple times a year.

    -smak-
     
  12. Feb 11, 2014 #72 of 167
    Turtleboy

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    I agree. Leno appeared on Dave's old show 41 times.

    If he wanted to be a dick, he would do it on Jimmy Fallon's opening night.
     
  13. Feb 11, 2014 #73 of 167
    JYoung

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    That'll send Howard Stern through the wall.
     
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    trainman

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    argicida

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    Just watching Arsenio Hall for the the first time in 10 years - he used to look so relaxed and now he looks like he doesn't believe he should be there
     
  16. Feb 11, 2014 #76 of 167
    jsmeeker

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    No way would he do that to Jimmy.
     
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    argicida

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    jsmeeker

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    I like Fallon. I don't normally watch his show, but the parts I catch I usually enjoy. I hope he keeps everything pretty much exactly the same when he moves up an hour.
     
  19. Feb 12, 2014 #79 of 167
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    Steveknj

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    A couple of observations on the topic. I'll preface this by saying I'm only an occasional watcher of any of these shows and have no real preference to any of them. I watch if there's a guest I want to see. I'm also in the demo that doesn't matter anymore.

    I've seen Fallon a few times, and I really like him, but he doesn't strike me as the type that's going to appeal to the younger demos. Just because he's younger than Leno doesn't mean that he appeals to 20 or 30 somethings. From what I've seen of Kimmel, he's CLEARLY going after that demo, as he has a lot more current pop-culture stars than the others and his bits appear geared toward a younger demo. Fallon even admits to being an "old soul" in this article:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/16/a...r-viewers-to-tonight.html?partner=rss&emc=rss

    I think Fallon is just a younger Jay or Dave, but essentially does the same shtick.

    Does Kimmel get better ratings among the desired demo than Dave or Jay do/did?

    And I think the days of the Tonight show format are waning. There are just so many other choices out there. TDS and Colbert do well among those demos for a cable show and have a completely different format. Or at least it's presented differently.

    As for Jay, it's hard to "feel sorry" for a guy worth what he's worth. He'll keep working, and hardly starve doing it. He's famous enough that people won't forget who he is. I predict he'll be like Seinfeld when his show ended. He'll do all kinds of gigs, which he still loves to do, and I bet he becomes a featured Vegas performer, where he'll do nightly shows for an extended period and he'll do well at it.
     

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