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So what happens now with late night TV?

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by argicida, Feb 6, 2014.

  1. Feb 8, 2014 #41 of 167
    JYoung

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    I'm not particularly a fan of his.
    I met him once briefly and he seemed a nice enough guy.

    I've seen maybe a handful of his shows since he returned to the Tonight Show.
    (Having the orchestra sting his punchlines annoyed me. enough not to watch much)

    But I did tune into his last show just to see and by the end, I did feel sorry for him.

    I mean, he may not be the best comedian around but he worked hard and he landed his dream job which he loved doing.

    And from his bosses' point of view, he did the job very well (holding the #1 spot for all those years) and he was a model employee.

    His reward was to have his dream job taken away from him twice while his job performance was still good.

    And to be unrealistically vilified for his bosses' half baked ideas.
    (From everything I've read and seen, I see no reason to think that he screwed over Conan O'Brien.)

    Realistically, I don't think he could have maintained his lead for too much longer. I suspect that he had maybe a year or two at maintaining his lead and I think he believes that as well.
    It would have been nice if NBC allowed him to leave on his own terms though as a reward of all his loyalty and good work over the years.

    Although he basically admitted in the 60 Minutes interview that he know that he was going to get screwed.

    http://www.usmagazine.com/entertain...eventually-youre-going-to-get-screwed-2014271

     
  2. Feb 8, 2014 #42 of 167
    Turtleboy

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    Dave was kind of classy.
     
  3. Feb 8, 2014 #43 of 167
    argicida

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    He as pretty classy to Jay - but maybe a little negative toward "Little Jimmy"
     
  4. Feb 8, 2014 #44 of 167
    Turtleboy

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    That's just his sense of humor. They were all together - Kimmel, Fallon, Letterman, and Seth Myers, this past weekend at Howard Stern's Birthday show.
     
  5. Feb 8, 2014 #45 of 167
    brianric

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    Rest assured I will not need to acquire a new season pass. Once Letterman retires, so will my late nite recording.
     
  6. Feb 8, 2014 #46 of 167
    madscientist

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    For myself, I will need a new season pass, but I don't need to delete any existing pass.
     
  7. Feb 8, 2014 #47 of 167
    brianric

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    Neither will I when Fallon tanks. :D
     
  8. Feb 9, 2014 #48 of 167
    scooterboy

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    Fallon will lose some viewers due to their age (and his) - that's a generational thing. I'm sure Jay lost a bunch of Johnny's viewers too.

    The real question is whether Fallon will gain at least as many viewers as he'll lose. There seems to be two camps:

    1) People who think he's a giggly fawner over his guests
    2) People who think those attributes make him more like the audience, and they identify with him because of it.

    But there's no denying that he's a very talented guy (particularly musically and impressions, talents which no previous host had). Personally, I'm looking forward to his run on Tonight.

    One thing though - I've never considered the Roots that great of a band. They're ok.
     
  9. Feb 9, 2014 #49 of 167
    brianric

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    Agree.
     
  10. Feb 9, 2014 #50 of 167
    wmcbrine

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    Not that he uses it a lot, but Conan's got some musical talent also.
     
  11. Feb 9, 2014 #51 of 167
    LoadStar

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    I know he taught himself the guitar... doesn't he dabble in playing the drums as well?

    Edit: yup!
    Conan Playing Drums:


    Conan on Guitar:
     
  12. Feb 9, 2014 #52 of 167
    DevdogAZ

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    Totally agree with this. Leno got screwed over by the NBC execs when they tried to force him out and replace him with Conan, and then both Conan and Leno got screwed by those same execs when the execs decided to boot Conan and put Leno back in there. Some will say that Leno shouldn't have agreed to take the job back, but he never wanted to give it up in the first place, so he had no reason to sit on the sidelines just to make a point.

    It will be interesting to see if Leno's standup act gets more contemporary since he won't be telling the most topical stuff to a few million people a night on TV.
     
  13. Feb 9, 2014 #53 of 167
    Turtleboy

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    He shouldn't have taken the 10PM spot. He should have said Eff You and gone to Fox or ABC and to compete directly.
     
  14. Feb 9, 2014 #54 of 167
    wmcbrine

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    Or just been gracious and retired from TV, after they'd paid him, what, $230 million over the years? Not to mention, he'd had five years to get used to the idea, and a total run of seventeen years in the job the first time. We should all be so screwed.
     
  15. Feb 9, 2014 #55 of 167
    aadam101

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    So both NBC shows will be in NYC as well as Letterman? Seems like there will be a lot of competition for guests.
     
  16. Feb 9, 2014 #56 of 167
    scooterboy

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    True. I honestly wasn't thinking of Conan as a former Tonight Show host when I said that. His tenure was too short to be of note (for me).
     
  17. Feb 9, 2014 #57 of 167
    LoadStar

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    Yup, which will be nice for Kimmel and Conan who remain on the west coast.
     
  18. Feb 10, 2014 #58 of 167
    JYoung

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    Maybe not but he still wanted to work. NBC backed up the Brinks truck to him and guaranteed him two years plus he didn't have to even move studios.
    It was a great deal for him.
    Even though I have always stated that putting him on 5 nights a week at 10 PM was a suck idea for NBC, I don't blame him for taking the deal.


    But he didn't want to retire.
    Why should he have to if he's still capable of doing the job and someone wants to pay him money to do so?
     
  19. Feb 10, 2014 #59 of 167
    Turtleboy

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    One thing about Leno, he'll die on stage. He'll work until he can't anymore. If it gets to the point where no one is willing to pay up to do standup, he'll do it for free.
     
  20. Feb 10, 2014 #60 of 167
    DevdogAZ

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    As he said in his final show the other night, he's worked at NBC for 20 years. He considers those people family. He doesn't know anyone at the other networks. Asking him to leave NBC and go work for another network was basically like asking him to abandon his family and go start a new one. That just wasn't in him.

    And then when NBC offered him the option of basically continuing what he wanted to do all along, with more pay and in a more prominent timeslot, it was kind of a no-brainer at that point. With hindsight, we all know it wasn't a good move. But at the time, how could he have said no to that offer? Do you really believe it was so clear cut that the 10 pm show would be a failure that he should have known that up front?
     

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