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So still not possible to hook up to a Directv box correct?

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by omelet1978, Aug 20, 2013.

  1. stevel

    stevel Dumb Blond TCF Club

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    I don't agree it was all DirecTV's fault. The contract was to deliver a feature set that at the time was reasonable, and the stated timeframe was short. More than two years late it finally showed up. It does what was promised at the time.
     
  2. wmcbrine

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    It wasn't. Those people were objectively wrong. Their issue was with the HDUI, which could simply be turned off -- leaving them with a unit functionally equivalent to an S3, but much faster.
     
  3. atmuscarella

    atmuscarella Well-Known Member

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    I agree. The biggest problems with the Premiere were releasing it with the HDUI and the way TiVo marketed it.

    What should have happened is they should have released the Premiere with the SDUI only in the summer of 2009 and marketed as an speed and recording size update to the TiVo HD.

    Then worked on the HDUI and a hardware update that could actually run it correctly. The summer of 2011 release would then have been a hardware update introducing 4 tuner units and the HDUI.

    The people who release the Premiere in the winter of 2010 with the HDUI the way it was should have been fired along with the idiots who tried to market it as the "One Box".
     
  4. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    I don't know if they realized how bad the hardware was until it was too late. This was all sort of a new undertaking for them at the time and they may not have known the UI was going to be such a dog until it was too late. At that point some manager probably said "it's good enough, ship it" and that was that. They seemed to have learned from their mistakes this time around.
     
  5. Bigg

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    Quite true. I wish D* would just release a 6-tuner Ethernet-based tuner and give TiVo the API for it (i.e. AllVid but not a true standard). But there obviously isn't enough of a market to capture there for DirecTV to develop a product like that, especially given how good the Genie is. Even if DirecTV wanted to develop a true DirecTiVo (i.e. something that's fully cross-compatible with the HR-series but using the TiVo interface), it probably wouldn't be worth the effort for the relatively few subs who leave to cable/ don't come to DirecTV in the first place because of TiVo. The HR10-250 crowd has long since moved to DirecTV DVRs or cable.
     
  6. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    That would be cool if someone like DirecTV took the initiative on an AllVid style external tuner, but I doubt they ever would because they have a chicken and egg type situation. Without something for it to connect to how do they even test it? I guess they could do it for the HTPC market, but that's pretty niche and with MS stopping development on MCE it's only going to get more niche going forward.
     
  7. Bigg

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    They could make their own stuff for testing. The problem is that there isn't really a market for it, it would be a support nightmare, and they know both of those things.
     
  8. Series3Sub

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    I think there issues (plural) were with the SLOW Premier response, it frequently freezing or hanging--in short the Premiere was terribly under powered. The user experience with the S3's fast response and greater stability is why legions didn't even invest in the entire S4 line. Sorry, but my two S4's are still painfully SLOW, sometimes HANG for full minuted before it resolves whatever--it is a frustrating experience and time consuming just to move through the menus to select a recording and play it or even delete it at the end whilst I WAIT and WAIT for it to wake from its long slumber. I've hd to hard re-boot my Premiers countless times over the years I've had them. Meanwhile my trusty S3's required hard-reboot only a few times, are so much faster and respond to my commands with NO DELAY and they just don't HANG in a coma like the S4's.

    I just think some people love being contrary just to have fun, not that they are a deluded fanboy with beer goggle love for anything TiVo.
     
  9. Series3Sub

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    Thanks for confirming that DirecTV dictated the capabilities of TiVo product: an inferior box to all comparable DirecTV STB's at that time and in the works, with NONE of the compelling TiVo features of EVEN A SERIES 3 that would NOT pose a threat to DircTV's revenue (no OTT was a reasonable exclusion), but TiVo took it up the @#$ because they were desperate and needed to CROW about a new agreement with the huge #2 DirecTV, once again, to provide momentum for the MSO partnership plans and appease Wall Street. And DirecTV CHANGED what they wanted all along the way. It sure slowed things down and caused launch date to change and change and delay and delay. Gee, I'm sure DirecTV wanted this TiVo product out as soon as possible, and with its feeble features and capabilities compared to the retail versions of S3, should have been a quickie. And the COST to a subscriber for this special product is just as low as a DirecTV STB; very competitive, right? Of course, the THR-22 makes good economic sense and provides comparable if not SUPERIOR features and capabilities for the DircTV subscriber compared to what DirecTV offered at the time of the agreement and the time of its launch. I just don't think so. No TiVo "Love" at DirecTV.
     
  10. wmcbrine

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    And I'm telling you, it isn't. As compared to the S3, it is much, much faster. That's a fact. Only the HDUI (and really, only early versions of the HDUI) could make it seem slow.

    Set them to SDUI mode, then.

    Edit: Do you even understand what I mean by "HDUI" and "SDUI", or are you just glossing over that part?
     
  11. astrohip

    astrohip Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    Gospel.

    I have an Elite running SDUI, it is as quick as I can press the buttons. Reordering SPs can take a few minutes, but I have 100+ SPs. Displaying all WL takes 1/2 the time of my S3.

    It's fast, if you don't need the HDUI.
     

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