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Slight issue with S3 Hard Drive Upgrade using WinMFS

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by Squeege96, Aug 22, 2012.

  1. Squeege96

    Squeege96 New Member

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    Hi all! I am in the process of upgrading my much loved S3 with a 1.0 TB drive. I have successfully backed up the .tbk image, but I am trying to keep the recordings on the original drive. However, when I click on "MFSCopy..." I get the following message: "Restore Bootpage: You are about to overwrite DOS or Windows Drive. Are you sure?"

    Out of fear of destroying my computer, I thought I would check the forum, but I couldn't find any posts with this message. Is this normal and should I proceed?

    In case it matters, I am running Win 7 64Bit. The Tivo model is TCD648250B, and I am upgrading to a Seagate Drive.

    Thanks!
     
  2. ThAbtO

    ThAbtO TiVoholic by the bay

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    Make sure the model numbers on WinMFS match the drive you are going to make the Tivo drive.

    It sounds like either you have selected your Windows drive and not the Seagate drive, or the Seagate drive was previously used as a windows drive.
     
  3. Squeege96

    Squeege96 New Member

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    The Seagate is a brand new drive from NewEgg. I verified the Drive ID in WinMFS, and it says it's "unknown or blank". When I click on "MFSCopy...", I don't get an option to select a drive. The message comes up right away.

    Any other thoughts? Is this a common message?
     
  4. mattack

    mattack Active Member

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    I have no idea, why don't you use the Linux boot CDs and unplug your computer drives as a safety measure?
     
  5. worachj

    worachj Active Member

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    WinMFS needs to have admin privileges in order to see the new drive. When you start WinMFS right click on the WinMFS.exe and select run as administrator and see if that works for you.
     
  6. lillevig

    lillevig Hot in West Texas

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    I assume you are running WinMFS. Did you crack open your PC or are you using USB to SATA cables? If you cracked open your PC, you must have your Windows drive still connected as well as the source drive and the destination drive - correct? Did Windows mount the destination drive? If so, it needs to be unmounted or it needs to have WinMFS overwrite the boot sector. When I run WinMFS it doesn't even show my Windows drive, even if I ask it to show mounted drives. I find that the easiest way is to use cheap USB to SATA cables. And yes, you need to right-click on WinMFS to run it as Administrator.
     
  7. ThAbtO

    ThAbtO TiVoholic by the bay

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    The way I did it was, under WInMFS, I used backup, then restore to the new drive, then (i forget what was this step) then, finally, supersize.
     
  8. unitron

    unitron Active Member

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    That next step was probably expand (mfsadd) to add an MFS pair, assuming you went to a bigger drive.
     
  9. ThAbtO

    ThAbtO TiVoholic by the bay

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    Thanks.
     
  10. dwit

    dwit Active Member

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    Suspect that the new Seagate drive has become "mounted", for whatever reason. "Check" the box that says "show mounted drives"(or something to that effect).

    Always double check though, that you are writing to the correct drive. Disconnect all uninvolved drives.
     
  11. ThAbtO

    ThAbtO TiVoholic by the bay

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    I think I believe is the problem, you tried to do expand, aka MfaAdd, on a blank drive.

    Do this:

    1. Backup the old drive. (I know you did this step, just noting.)
    2. Restore to the new drive.
    3. Expand (MFSAdd)
    4. SuperSize.
     
  12. Squeege96

    Squeege96 New Member

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    So your steps worked great! Only now, the S3 unit randomly freezes to the point that it is unusable and needs to be unplugged and restarted. I guess the drive I bought was a bad one (?). Any suggestions for a better drive to use? The ones listed in the Upgrade FAQ are all out of circulation.

    Thanks!
     
  13. unitron

    unitron Active Member

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    You never gave us the model number, firmware, and manufacturing date and location on that drive.


    The drive is quite possibly just fine, but just not fully compatible with TiVos.

    And if Seagate had any interest in addressing the issue (TiVo users are probably 1% of 1% of 1% of their total sales), they'd point out that the drive wasn't designed for TiVos and that TiVos weren't designed to have the drives replaced with bigger ones by the user.

    You can probably stick the drive in a computer running TiVo Desktop, format it as one big NTFS partition, and use it copy shows to from the TiVo just fine.
     
  14. L David Matheny

    L David Matheny Active Member

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    If the Seagate drive you used is more power-hungry than the drives normally used in TiVos (like a 7200-rpm drive might be), it could be pulling the 12V (probably) supply voltage low intermittently. I'm guessing that could conceivably cause random freezes.
     
  15. unitron

    unitron Active Member

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    Especially if the power supply is beginning to develop problems.

    Maybe there should be a new rule.

    Replace all caps n the 5 and 12 Volt rails whether they look bad or not, then upgrade the drive.

    But based on personal experience, I'm thinking those Seagates just don't work with TiVos, or vice versa.

    Work fine in a computer, though.
     
  16. Squeege96

    Squeege96 New Member

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    I think you guys are dead on. Power might be my issue. Any suggestions on what drive I should use?
     
  17. poppagene

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    The suggestion isn't so much about drive as to inspecting and repairing/replacing bulging capacitors on the internal power supply.
     
  18. Squeege96

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    Ok - I give it s shot tonight. In the event that it is a capacitor, any suggestions on how to identify what type of capacitor it is and where to find a replacement?

    Thanks!!
     
  19. Squeege96

    Squeege96 New Member

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    Ok, you guys were dead on - looks like I have a blown capacitor. Here's what is written on it: CapXon 2200uF25v / KF105'C C620 VENT

    I have some experience with soldering (fixed my kids' DS a few times, and soldered some audio connections, etc.).

    My questions are:

    1. Any recommendations on where to buy replacements? If so, any particular brand?
    2. Should I buy an exact duplicate, or is there a better cap to replace it with?

    THANKS!!
     
  20. steve614

    steve614 what ru lookin at?

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    The two numbers you really want to pay attention to are the voltage and the capacitance values.

    The voltage value on the replacement cap must be at least the same, but you could possibly get away with going one step up. Example: bad cap is rated 12v, replacement cap should be 12v but you might get away with using one rated higher, but you don't want to go too high.

    You will want to match the capacitance value exactly.

    Edit: The 105'C might be important. I believe that is a temperature rating.

    I can't help in choosing a manufacturer or where to buy, sorry.

    Here's a list of power supply caps for an S3 OLED put together by another forum member:
    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=9261056#post9261056
     

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