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Slate: Tivo Inferior to European DVRs

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by Emacee, Jun 22, 2013.

  1. Hercules67

    Hercules67 TiVo addict

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    Unfortunately, the Networks do "DO THIS". How? By continuing the show while the credits roll. I've complained about it here:

    When the credits roll on a TV show...
     
  2. Worf

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    Well, that's slightly different. The networks usually put in a couple of ads between the end of one show (after the credits are over) and the start of the next, so the DVR has a nice cut-point. But Discovery and History butt the shows together so you always cut one end off.

    Anyhow, show-over-credits is probably at odds with running trailers and followups and ads - if a show does this, the network can't stick an ad while the credits roll. Especially one in-between the show ending and the next week preview.

    Then again, the only network TV I watch is CBS and FOX, and the shows I do watch don't do this...
     
  3. 59er

    59er TiVotee

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    I can't recall ads between the network shows I watch. The credits go right into the next show routinely, causing problems with catching the end of one show and/or the start of the next.
     
  4. Hercules67

    Hercules67 TiVo addict

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    PRecisely what I meant.

    Lots of shows do this.
     
  5. tivogurl

    tivogurl New Member

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    Arbitrarily limiting padding to a fixed list of numbers is pretty stupid, though.
     
  6. dianebrat

    dianebrat I refuse to accept your reality TCF Club

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    Thread title fail, the issue is not Tivo, but US broadcasting that's the core issue, and yes I read the article, which has a much more accurate title of "Why Do Americans Have the Worst DVRs?"
     
  7. scandia101

    scandia101 Just the facts ma'am

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    How so?

    If you could pad the beginning of a recording by as much as 24 hours in 30 second increments, it would still be an arbitrary limit. How could it be done in a non-arbitrary way?
     
  8. tivogurl

    tivogurl New Member

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    You specify minutes by having a keypad (without letters, obviously) with a fillable field, just like wishlists have for specifying words in show titles. If you want 5 minutes, just click on "5" and finish. For 43 minutes, click "4", then "3", then finish. 2160 minutes? Click ... you get the idea.

    I don't know why you'd want exactly 43 minutes of padding, but I see no reason to limit you only to padding I think is useful. I, after all, cannot imagine every user's use case.
     
  9. mattack

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    Tivo Basic was the closest anybody's ever come to that.

    Plus, why do you want it to be from Tivo if you want to do the recording yourself? Why not just use Windows Media Center and a CETON cablecard tuner, or (???) something similar on Linux?

    (I can't believe I recommended something on Windows!)

    BTW, I'm someone who originally wanted to use my S1 subscriptionless. Up until analog cable went away, I used my Toshiba XS32 as a "digital VCR" for conflicts. (I still use it basically every day to dub stuff FROM my Tivo and watch faster than realtime.. I wish the Tivo app would let me watch stuff faster than realtime with sound, then I would have to do less dubbing.)..

    But I realized I liked the service, even though there are tons of things I'd improve.. it "sucks less" than everything else I've seen, however.

    I *still* agree with you that a reasonable "manual VCR like recorder" would be a good thing to have, though (1) I don't think it would sell well, and (2) would be even harder to do with the cablecard regulations (security of recordings and such).
     
  10. moedaman

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    No need for Tivo to make a product like that. There are several products already out there that can do that and/or use PSIP data for scheduling. Go to AVS Forum and look at the HD Recorders forum to find out about them. They're usually pretty cheap and require an EHD. But there are people out there who use them and like them.
     
  11. scandia101

    scandia101 Just the facts ma'am

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    Tivo has the arbitrary 1-5 minute limit on regular recordings that covers almost all needs, but you aren't limited to that. You can set up a manual recording that starts and ends exactly when you want. Tivo covers over 99% of the early padding with the 1-5 minute option and the rest can get exactly what they want recorded with a manual recording.
     
  12. tivogurl

    tivogurl New Member

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    A manual recording is not what most people want, since it doesn't correct itself for schedule changes or first-run vs rerun.
     
  13. mattack

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    Though, like I said, none do CableCard, right? So none can record from encrypted channels.. which unfortunately soon, may be ALL channels (even rebroadcast OTA ones).
     
  14. scandia101

    scandia101 Just the facts ma'am

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    That's not what I said.
     
  15. dianebrat

    dianebrat I refuse to accept your reality TCF Club

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    Sony made the DHG series DVRs for a few years, they were not overly popular, they were everything described and used CableCARDs
     
  16. moedaman

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    The Sony's used TVGOS for scheduling. I used analog TVGOS for my Panasonic DMR-EH75V dvd recorder and it was every bit as good as the Tivo guide. Sadly TVGOS is now gone and the Sony's aren't that useful anymore, although some people still use them. But after reading the AVS Forum thread about them, many users are switching to Tivo's.
     
  17. noshi15

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    Yes, I agreed some people are still used Sony's. But there are more new brands in market. Many users are switching to Tivo's.
     
  18. dianebrat

    dianebrat I refuse to accept your reality TCF Club

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    and I totally understand they are no longer a viable option with TVGOS now dead, but they were out there at the time and never got any traction, I'm amazed they made it 7 years with TVGOS on them before it was killed. From what I understand with TVGOS being killed they lost their time sync also so the units really are all but dead.
     
  19. moedaman

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    Some people over at the AVS Forum have figured out how to use them in a very limited capacity. But yes, they are nearly worthless compared to what they originally could do.
     
  20. mattack

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    Every bit as good as the Tivo guide? Maybe for you, but I remember this being discussed on AVS forum, and IIRC, there was WAY less information provided for shows. I don't remember absolute specifics, but I think even descriptions were very less detailed, fewer guest stars, and maybe original air dates weren't included or at least not as often. Some of that info is useful to some people (I actually think OAD is one of the most important, since I sometimes check back later on an episode or something if I figure out if I've seen every episode of a show).
     

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