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Shows not showing up as "new" after upgrade

Discussion in 'TiVo Premiere DVRs' started by denise1768, Jan 11, 2012.

  1. rainwater

    rainwater Active Member

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    This. Original Air Date is the metadata that is used. If it exists, it uses the 28 day rule. If it doesn't, it will record it to be safe.
     
  2. wmhjr

    wmhjr Well-Known Member

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    I guess you guys (or at least mattack) are just totally missing the point. Let me make it more clear.

    I didn't say that Tivos ever used the "human readable text" in the program descriptions. I don't care if they do, or if they do not.

    What I DO care about is if they properly record NEW episodes of a NEW series as a result of a season pass. If Tivo expects a US customer to have to research every single new series and season, digging in to determine if that series may have been shown once before in Madagascar in order to be able to reliably ONLY the new episodes (a core element of functionality in the Tivo as advertised and since its very inception) then the Tivo is (for core functionality) demonstrably inferior to the common Motorola HD DVR, which does not require such user interaction in order to effectively accomplish the same exact result.

    The fact that over the course of years, this has never popped up for me before now gives me the IMPRESSION that this is new behavior. What is fact is that one of three possible situations exist.

    1) There has never been a new series/episode in the past 5-6 years that I've tried to record via Season pass that has ever ever been shown in another country before so I've never stumbled on this defect before.

    2) There HAVE been new series/episodes in the past 5-6 years that I've intended to record via season pass, but I simply didn't notice it.

    3) This is new behavior.

    I can not accept option 2, as I simply don't believe I could have missed this. Very very unlikely. Options 1 and 3 are certainly possible. In either case, this is a defective implementation in terms of the use cases.

    The reason that this is factually a defect is obvious. In order to make sure a user accounts for this, it requires the user to research every single series and episode online, looking for metadata such as "First Aired" in order to properly set the season passes. This behavior is unnecessary using just a normal (less expensive to the user) Motorola (and I believe also SA but I cannot absolutely make that statement at this moment) unit. It goes to core reliability and dependability of the Tivo. Because of this situation, I'm now forced to go and research all my season passes - especially for the new content that is expected to premiere next week and after. That is a waste of my time. It IMHO significantly decreases the value of the Tivo, and in particular it undermines the increased rates for "service" charged by Tivo. JMHO.
     
  3. cherry ghost

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    here's another thread on the subject

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=461905
     
  4. rainwater

    rainwater Active Member

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    That is not what the original post is about which is a display bug in 20.2. That issue in know way affects whether a program records or not.

    What you are referring to has happened a few times over the years. Other than programs on BBC America, I don't think it has happened more than a few times ever. The only US based program it happened with was Friday Night Lights. This was because it aired on Directv first and the original air dates were outside 28 days. It wasn't just TiVo users it affected. Most cable company DVRs had issues with it as well. The TiVo is only as good as the guide data. If Tribune says it originally aired a year ago, I don't see how you expect Tivo to consider it new.
     
  5. wmhjr

    wmhjr Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, thanks. That didn't pop up on my first search on the problem before I wrote the post. However I did find it since.

    I've also since played with it a bit more, and frankly I'm even more unhappy about it. I took the show "Lost Girl" as an example to play with it some more. I changed it from "First Run" to "Repeats and First Run" and now I've obviously got repeats. Not knowing how they're going to run repeat episodes, it will certainly consume valuable space that it should not, which is less of an issue on my Elite but far more problematic on my bone stock HD.

    Since Tivo doesn't talk about this or even acknowledge it, are they now expecting us to research every title we want to record?
     
  6. rainwater

    rainwater Active Member

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    Considering there are probably about 5 shows all time that have had this issue in the last 10 years, I don't see how it is that big of an issue.
     
  7. wmhjr

    wmhjr Well-Known Member

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    I agree now that it wasn't part of the original post - which is why I asked the question in my first post. I wasn't sure if it was related or not. But for the rest....

    Umm.... Wrong. Perhaps you didn't fully read my post.

    I currently have in my home a free Verizon Fios Motorola HD DVR. It properly records Lost Girl. I'm assuming it's using the same guide data. I can expect the UI to properly discriminate. That is the core of Tivo functionality. It does not get any more basic than that. It's one of the advantages of having an Elite, two HDs, a VZ Moto HD DVR (free) and a VZ Moto HD STB (free). In instances such as this, it's very easy for me to determine whether the issue Tivo specific or not. I have in the past been able to report to Tivo titles/episodes that the guide data reported by Tivo was incorrect, and Tivo recorded the wrong content however the VZ box did not. To be very honest, over the course of the past 2 yrs, while the Tivo boxes are obviously far more intuitive and nicer to use, they have also been significantly less reliable in terms of recording the right content. We're not talking about huge high percentages of errors (probably about 20 shows in 2 yrs) but the Moto box has a zero percent defect rate at last to date. It can't hold as much obviously, and it's a clunky UI, and it's not as granular. But it sure works - and the whole house streaming HD works absolutely perfectly. AND you can even delete content from the DVR while using your STB remotely. AND you can use the remote box to have the DVR add content to the recording schedule.

    Just making the point that this stuff is not impossible to do, and as has never before happened that I know of, Tivo is starting to lag behind the cablecos in terms of even feature/function.
     
  8. wmhjr

    wmhjr Well-Known Member

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    I don't know how many there were. There are 2 right now. I don't care if there are 2 now or 20 now. The fact that they exist, and that there is no way to learn of the issue other than either:

    1) Research every show

    2) Miss recordings, and then find out after the fact

    Creates a critical defect IMHO. If you can explain away how to avoid this issue without doing one of the above, let me know. Perhaps the solution is FCC regulations to force advertisements and descriptions to clearly up front tell us that the show has aired elsewhere before... (please note sarcasm and not serious).
     
  9. Heron

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    I've been having the same problems, on multiple shows since the software update. Last week it did not record a new episode of 30 Rock, which it said had first aired the day before. Tonight it was Shipping Wars, which it again said first aired yesterday. I've noticed it on several other new programs, always listed as having first aired the day before. I was a TiVo early adopter and have never seen this before. It may have been only 5 shows in the past, but it is many shows now.
     
  10. rainwater

    rainwater Active Member

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    What does the Recording History say as to why it wasn't recorded?
     
  11. srjtr7

    srjtr7 New Member

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    bump...any solution for this? I keep seeing this issue
     
  12. Scooter80

    Scooter80 New Member

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    Chiming in to echo my results:

    "New" tags are less than reliable. They come and go with seemingly no rhyme or reason.

    All my truly new (never before aired) shows (whether viewing info as it airs, info in my shows, or info in the guide, future or past) are showing they first aired the previous day when they obviously did not.

    None of my recordings seem to have been effected by this strange bug.
     

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