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Sherlock series 3, better or worse than series 1 and 2 ?

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by Thom, Feb 3, 2014.

  1. ADG

    ADG Allan

    Aug 19, 2003
    New Jersey, USA
    I assume you mean in your opinion. In my opinion, all three episodes were unique and excellent in both story line and presentation. I thought it was the best of the three seasons.

  2. scandia101

    scandia101 Just the facts ma'am

    Oct 20, 2007
    MN, greater...
    I did not enjoy series 3 at all.
    Watching episode 1 I kept thinking maybe it'll get better as they wrap it up.
    and then I changed that to maybe the next one will be better.
    Lather, rinse, repeat.
  3. dianebrat

    dianebrat drastically off narrative TCF Club

    Jul 6, 2002
    wow that's uncalled for, offering thoughts is cool, positive or negative, but to to just come back with a 2nd post to say
    Yeah, it's on the way to threadcrapping when the posts continue along that path, opinion thread or not.
  4. Agatha Mystery

    Agatha Mystery Well-Known Member

    Feb 12, 2002
    BFE, So....
    I've enjoyed Sherlock, all 3 seasons. I've always been a fan of Sherlock Holmes stories. It's fun watching how Cumberbatch plays him. Watson is not a cookie cutter character that's always been in books. He's less of a cardboard cut out and more of a foil. Holmes is extremely smart, and yet, he needs Watson, rather than just using Watson to prove how smart he is.

    Mycroft has been fun. I liked how they made you think that he was Moriarty in the first episode.

    For the current series, I've been pausing the show at points when Sherlock has been gathering information about each person, with all of the words. I wanted to make sure I didn't miss anything.

    As far as quality from series to series, I think the first series was a surprise to many, and how the second series ended made everyone take notice. The quality of the show is the same, but people become inured to a character, and it no longer takes them by surprise. Sherlock has always been a bit of a surprise. Now that we all know how he operates, people are a bit let down when he continues to operate in the same way. It's hard to keep that fresh. And because it isn't fresh, it seems like it isn't as good.

    Sherlock has been written in the same fashion in the 3 series. Sherlock is not always a likeable character. It's only his relationship with Watson that makes him more human, more approachable, redeemable.
  5. john4200

    john4200 Active Member

    Oct 31, 2009
    You assume wrong. Obviously I meant someone else's opinion.
  6. john4200

    john4200 Active Member

    Oct 31, 2009
    Your comment certainly was uncalled for. I don't know why you went and thread crappped. ;)
  7. pgogborn

    pgogborn Active Member

    Nov 11, 2002
    I was totally fooled and enjoyed it. But it is a reminder that people who are familiar with the original novels can get more out of the show. As for the new Doctor Watson returning home after being injured in active service in Afghanistan more than 100 years after the original Watson did the same thing....

    I think the sequence of Mary shooting Sherlock is probably going to be my television moment of the year.
  8. T-Wolves

    T-Wolves Information Junkie

    Aug 22, 2000
    I thought the first 2 episodes of season 3 were among the series' best -- absolutely loved the wedding episode. I just watched the final episode, and didn't like it nearly as much as the first 2. Season 4 should be interesting and fun to see how
    Moriarty faked his own death at the same time as Sherlock was faking his own death.
  9. hairyblue

    hairyblue A good Man

    Feb 25, 2002
    Mobile, AL
    I didn't like season 3 as much. I really didn't care for how the season finale was resolved. I'd have been happier with Sherlock out smarting the guy. Sherlock didn't handle it like Sherlock.

    I think introducing Mary and having Watson married was a big mistake. The show worked with Watson and Sherlock interacting. I'm not sure if they can get that back. Did the show Jump the Shark already? I hope not.
  10. cheesesteak

    cheesesteak Meh. TCF Club

    Jul 24, 2003
    15 mins...
    I enjoyed season 3 but I don't think it was the greatest thing since sliced bread. One thing I absolutely, positively loathed was
    Sherlock Holmes as a cold blooded murderer. Maybe that's from the books but I never read any of them.
  11. tiassa

    tiassa Me --Avatar

    Jul 2, 2008
    speculation on the above follows:

    I think Moriarty is dead. I think the "miss me" is some sort of computer hack that he implemented before his demise, and is now controlled by someone else Irene Adler, maybe, or the last remaining member of Moriarty's network. The ultimate hack would be Sherlock set it up as a "get out of Jail (or suicide mission in Eastern Europe) free card"
  12. TonyTheTiger

    TonyTheTiger Pro Troll Magnet

    Dec 22, 2006

    Agreed, mostly, but not discussed in the open!
  13. cmontyburns

    cmontyburns Excellent.

    Nov 14, 2001
    Houston, TX
    Is this the inevitable backlash?

    I had fun with season 3. There were plenty of times during the first two runs that I watched the TV feeling something like euphoria, and those admittedly were less common this time around. But then, there is only so long that a thing can feel truly new. Familiarity has for some people, I suspect, indeed bred contempt.

    That said, sure, this season was probably a bit less successful creatively than the first two. There are a few more plot nits to pick at, some tonality shifts that didn't quite work, and character beats that were a little surprising. I suspect the latter two things, at least, were quite deliberate. This is a character study as much as anything, and it would be a failure if Sherlock and Watson did not change as a result of their relationship with each other. Maybe you liked it, maybe not.

    It's still high-level television, and I can't wait for more.
  14. NorthAlabama

    NorthAlabama tabasco rules

    Apr 19, 2012
    sweet home, al
    enjoyed season 3, even with episode 1 dragging on and on, and really enjoyed the last episode, though the cliffhanger was not completely unexpected - looking forward to season 4.
  15. ElJay

    ElJay Active Member

    Apr 6, 2005
    I thought the majority of season 3 was fun, but at the same time it felt like the characters' personalities morphed around too much to suit specific scenes.
  16. mattack

    mattack Active Member

    Apr 9, 2001
    I haven't watched S3.. but I've watched the first 2 eps of S1 so far. I've been watching "Elementary" all along, and likely because I saw that first (and because of Lucy Liu), I like it better, but still have enjoyed this show. Watching it on Amazon, of course you miss the little intros that the guy does on Masterpiece Mystery. (Though the one I checked out, after watching it on Amazon, was just the oft-repeated story of Doyle's teacher Bell.)

    (tangent) Reading some of the imdb comments about "Elementary" is funny though. Basically a lot of "I stayed away from this because of the British series" comments, then they eventually tried out "Elementary", and really liked it.
  17. Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

    Oct 17, 2000
    Yeah, for all the talk about Elementary being a rip-off off Sherlock, they are two completely different shows...equally awesome, but completely different.
  18. kmccbf

    kmccbf New Member

    Mar 9, 2002
    Bloomington, IN
    I'm not sure I think season 3 is worse or better than the other seasons, but it has a very different feel which I thinks puts some people off. I really enjoyed the last episode. I almost felt that Moffet merged some scripts from Doctor Who with those of Sherlock. I almost got a wibily wobely, timey wimy feel from them. This is said in jest, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if at some point in the series we don't find out that Sherlock and Moriarty are time lords.
  19. pgogborn

    pgogborn Active Member

    Nov 11, 2002

    Steven Moffat interviewed in the Guardian:
    "Sherlock is Doctor Who but an hour later in the TV schedules. Not two hours later, one hour." Doesn't Moffat want to write grown-up stuff for two hours later? "Not really. Writing for adults often means just increasing the swearing – but find an alternative to swearing and you've probably got a better line."

    He says he did write grown-up stuff – Joking Apart in the 90s and Coupling in the 00s, sitcoms that riffed on his own sexual history. "You could say they were adult. Or maybe they were more childish than what I'm writing now." >
  20. Hoffer

    Hoffer Eat Lightning ----- Poo Thunder

    Jun 1, 2001
    Twin Cities, MN
    I think at this point, I enjoy Elementary more. I typically give up on procedurals fairly quickly. I just get bored with 22, 1 hour episodes every year. Elementary keeps me interested and watching.

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