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Setting up a MoCA Network for Tivo

Discussion in 'TiVo Mini' started by BigJimOutlaw, Mar 4, 2013.

  1. Nov 3, 2013 #161 of 1812
    jmpage2

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    Yes, you should be able to put the action-tec in as you describe to create the MoCA network then put all TiVo devices into moca mode to connect to each other and the internet.
     
  2. Nov 3, 2013 #162 of 1812
    Bigg

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    YMMV, but I have a hodgepodge of old splitters that I found when I rented this house, no POE filter, and I rebalanced the system for the modem's DOCSIS channels, and TiVo Premiere 4 QAM tuners, which effectively makes the MoCA signal go through three splitters (up a 2-way, across a 3-way, and down a 4-way), then through a hodgepodge of wiring that ranges from the house's original construction in 1999, and recently installed, and it works great, other than occasional not very intrusive glitching which may or may not have anything to do with my setup.

    I'm not sure if a modem will work behind a MoCA adapter, although I don't see why it wouldn't, other than that you can basically put MoCA devices wherever you want and they'll work fine. It's meant to be an idiot-proof system. Don't bother with special splitters, regular 860mhz splitters seem to work fine. It's not like they drop off completely at 865 mhz, and the MoCA gear is pretty powerful.

    The only thing you can't do is have another MoCA device connected to the downstream coax port of the MoCA adapter, as MoCA is filtered out. Your setup sounds pretty good, as you should be trying to balance power for DOCSIS and QAM, not MoCA. MoCA will pretty much survive whatever mess you create for it when you balance your system.
     
  3. Nov 4, 2013 #163 of 1812
    uw69

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    I am currently using two mini's connected via Ethernet to my Roamio plus. I am thinking about adding a 3rd mini and would like to connect it via MoCa. Can I have both Ethernet and MoCa mini's on the same Roamio? :confused:
     
  4. Nov 4, 2013 #164 of 1812
    jmpage2

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    Yes, you can have both. Turn on MoCA bridge mode on your Roamio plus, and just connect other Minis to the coaxial connection and assuming there's nothing wrong with the wiring in your coax network it should work fine.
     
  5. Nov 4, 2013 #165 of 1812
    bayern_fan

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    Not sure if this was mentioned elsewhere, but is it suggested to have a POE filter on the mini outlet when using a Roamio Plus as your MoCa bridge?
     
  6. Nov 4, 2013 #166 of 1812
    jmpage2

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    No, you shouldn't need that. One Poe filter either at the cable modem or entry point into the home of the coaxial feed.
     
  7. Nov 4, 2013 #167 of 1812
    HarperVision

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    If you do that, then you'll block to MoCa signal all together. Kind of defeats the purpose.
     
  8. Nov 7, 2013 #168 of 1812
    BayouBoy32

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    Is it OK to install the POE filter for MOCA in advance of getting a Mini to go with my Roamio Pro? And if I decide after trying MOCA I would prefer to go with Ethernet and run a Ethernet line, can I leave the filter inline without any lose of signal? Thanks in advance.
     
  9. Nov 7, 2013 #169 of 1812
    jmpage2

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    Yes, there's no reason you can't do that. Many cable modems even have POE filters installed and it doesn't hurt anything for them to be there. All they do is block MoCA signals, not other things you use the coaxial network for.
     
  10. Nov 7, 2013 #170 of 1812
    BayouBoy32

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    Thanks for the info. I installed it in the box on the side of house. I am glad I purchased the terminator lock removal tool. Made the job very easy. I checked all signals on Tivo and internet and as you said it doesn't hurt anything. Now all set when I get the Mini to try MOCA.
     
  11. Nov 7, 2013 #171 of 1812
    Bigg

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    I must have jinxed myself... I'm getting random disconnection issues now.

    EDIT: Not sure yet if it's MoCA or software yet...
     
  12. Dec 6, 2013 #172 of 1812
    cometstorm

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    Help! I've been at this for three days now, and STILL can't get my Romio 4-tuner (basic) w/2 moca adapters to work! I pray to the Almighty that someone can help as I'm now getting past frustrated....

    Here's what I'm wanting to do: I have the basic Romio 4 turner in my Greatroom, with the moca adapter properly attached. I want to moca to my bedroom TV mini. My den is where my desktop computer, stand alone Motorola modem, Netgear DX-E402 10/100M wireless/wired router is.

    I have four other TV's in various parts of the house, but they are simply straight coaxed from the basement splitter (no Tivo involvement, outside antenna only).

    My house is single story ranch, with an unfinished basement.

    Here's my setup: I have a splitter outside the house with the two lines feeding into the basement. One goes directly to the modem in the den/computer room (no TV is in there).

    The other feeds into the "in" of an 8 outlet amplified splitter in the basement. There is also another IN on the splitter where a coax runs a short way to a powered transformer. This "IN" says Vo/IP Modem. I have no idea what that is for...it is left over from my cable company which I just exited their cable and phone plan (kept the internet). I do know if I unplug THAT coax, the splitter light goes off and none of my TV's work.

    The amplified splitter can be seen in detail here:

    https://www.liveitwithcharter.com/pdf/installation_guide.pdf

    Anyway, I strongly believe I have the great room Romio TIVO and moca adapter setup properly. At least all three lights on the Actiontec adapter light up.

    The bedroom w/mini seems to be setup properly as well (not too much to mess up on that!).

    My HUGE problem seems to be getting the den/computer moca adapter situation squared away. THIS is where I've spent the past 3 days!

    I never could get the CABLE light to illuminate on the moca adapter. (the first two would light....power and Ethernet).

    This is the configuration I've tried over and over....

    Cable internet coax line to Moca "in." Coax jumper cable from Moca "out" to modem "in."

    Moca ethernet line to Router LAN "in" (one of four lan points on the router).

    WAN out on router to Ethernet on modem.

    And, of course the required 12V power cords to each.

    This simply has not worked. The coax light will NOT come on....

    The last time I tried, the moca adapter got a burnt smell.....and now it won't light up at all! GGGGRRRRRR>>>>>> "Banging head on desk!"

    So, I ordered ANOTHER moca adapter from Tivo over 24 hours ago. Paid almost $30 for one day shipping. According to my account w/Tivo, it STILL hasn't shipped.... "Banging head on desk again!"

    What the heck am I doing wrong? Please.....Anyone????

    Also, I'm wondering with this setup....how does my great room Romio w/moca "see" my coax moca network through my setup in the den, since that all seems to be tied into data, not TV coax?

    It just doesn't make sense.....

    Just what, and how many items am I missing here?

    Thanks for your patience with my rants! :confused:
     
  13. Dec 6, 2013 #173 of 1812
    jmpage2

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    The reason that if you unplug the "in" voip/modem on your powered splitter you lose everything is because that is the lead that goes from the transformer and activates the splitter! With that many runs, if it's older coax you probably need the splitter to be active or the signal level is too low for all of the various runs that you have in the home.

    From the manual you provided, your splitter only goes up to 1000mhz and is OLD, it's on the ragged edge and there's a good chance that it is stripping the MoCA signal out!

    As a test, when you get the new Actiontec, do this;

    Disconnect the powered splitter in the basement. Connect a simple passive splitter with at least a 1000mhz+ rating and hook up the main feed from your outside-of-the-house cable split along with the feeds to the Mini coax drop and the drop to your family room Roamio.

    Connect the Actiontec at the modem. If it still is not working then you have some other problem possibly related to the way the cable is split outside of the house, such as a ground-loop on the coax, etc.

    If it does work, then verify that your adapter at the Roamio as well as the Mini are both getting MoCA and working.

    Then you can work backwards with replacing your old powered splitters, faulty coaxial runs/splits in your house, etc.

    It's also entirely possible that the Actiontec adapter you were using at the cable modem side is faulty. Did you try the very simple process of elimination step of trying the MoCA adapter from the family room TiVo in the room with the cable modem? We call this "frogging it". If the problem occurs with that adapter than you have a wiring problem. If the problem goes away then you simply had a faulty MoCA adapter and you've been banging your head against the wall for nothing.
     
  14. Dec 6, 2013 #174 of 1812
    cometstorm

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    Thanks for that quick response, JmPage2! Much appreciated!

    What you say makes good sense.

    I did try switching out the adapters (before the one blew), and there was no change. In other words, the one from the Great room (romio)..when placed at the computer...would get no coax light either, just the first two lights. But the one moved to the Great Room would get all three lights.

    As to the amplified splitter, I figured that the one line from the transformer was providing the power. It was just the VoIP/Modem printing at that input point...I couldn't figure what that meant and was having to scratch my head...why didn't it just say POWER. Maybe something to do with when I previously had Charter digital phone, TV, and internet (there is a two way splitter right at the transformer....one is the coax to VoIP IN previously mentioned, the other is just empty (not even a coax line to it).

    Anyhoots, I'm not one for patience. I HATE IT when things don't work! lol!

    With that in mind, you ever try finding a moca adapter IN current store inventory (or a POE filter for that matter)? I've tried everything in and around St. Louis. No can do. Not even Best Buy or Radio Shack, and many others. So, here I wait twiddling my thumbs waiting for the delivery.

    I see what you suggest on bypassing the amplified splitter and going that route. Great suggestion. Can't wait to try it.

    Oh, for the record....the Roamio in the Great Room is working fine. Programming, Netflix, etc. But, it's just working off the wireless signal.

    I DO have a CAT 5 available which runs from the great room Blue Ray, through the basement, and to my Netgear router. Don't know if that could help me out here or not? Then again, going another Cat 5 from the router to the mini in the bedroom could be a problem ease-wise.

    So, enlighten me.....How in the heck do the MoCA adapters "SEE" my TV coax wiring in the house? It just seems to me that since it's wired to the modem, all it would "see" is internet data and not coax TV.

    Am I missing something, or just sounding stupid (AGAIN!)...

    Thanks so much!
     
  15. Dec 6, 2013 #175 of 1812
    jmpage2

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    If you installed a small network switch at your great room location you could connect the blu-ray player as well as a Roamio Plus.... then enable MoCA bridge on the Roamio Plus and it would become the MoCA provider for your entire network.. no actiontek adapters would be needed.

    This would obviously only work if you are in the exchange window for your Roamio basic and are willing to spend $140 or so more for the next level up Roamio.

    If you are planning on using MoCA at your great room with the basic, you will need to reconfigure it so that it does not use the Wi-Fi... assuming you get the actiontek adapter problems sorted out.
     
  16. Dec 6, 2013 #176 of 1812
    cometstorm

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    Thanks!

    That makes sence. Yet, I've got so much $$$ tied up now with the adapters....and with the one on the way (weather in Dallas has no doubt delayed it), guess I'll just ride it out.

    With your kind input, I'm quite sure I'll get 'er done! :)
     
  17. Jan 12, 2014 #177 of 1812
    mlaw8

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    Guys - I'm having problems after reading everything I can find and playing with each piece and part. I've attached my setup...the first drawing is how I think it should be set up to be working. In this case none of the MoCA devices are making a connection. When I insert the old splitter into the equation (per Phil's from AVSForums advice) I get 2 of the 3 devices working (illustrated in second picture). Apprciate any additional advice/options. I'm waiting for a MoCA filter to add into the equation but they have been slow to get here. Thanks - Mark
     

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  18. Jan 12, 2014 #178 of 1812
    Bigg

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    What the heck are you doing with diplexers? Just put one amp above the whole system, then the MoCA filter, and then the splitters if you really don't want the MoCA touching the amp...
     
  19. Jan 12, 2014 #179 of 1812
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    Why do you have sat diplexers in there? (Or did you leave out the satellite & connection on the drawing?) (DishTV and locals via UHF?)

    Why do you have two actiontec's in there? The Roamio can provide the MoCa network (if connected via ethernet) or one actiontec hanging off the cable modem. In which case, you're wired all wrong.

    The 900mhz splitter will probably not allow MoCa to passthrough.

    Do you have satellite and cable and UHF Antenna ???

    Both your diagrams are most confusing...
     
  20. Jan 12, 2014 #180 of 1812
    jmpage2

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    It looks like he has satellite, cable and UHF. His cable layout is crackers.
     

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