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Setting up a MoCA Network for Tivo

Discussion in 'TiVo Mini' started by BigJimOutlaw, Mar 4, 2013.

  1. Jun 19, 2013 #121 of 1812
    Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    The POE filter does two things....

    1) It prevents your neighbors from potentially getting on your network if it's not encrypted.

    2) It prevents your MoCa signal from interfering with your neighbors services.

    Some cable companies actually require them for MoCa and will give you one for free if you ask.
     
  2. Jun 19, 2013 #122 of 1812
    lessd

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    I have about 12 cable runs from the cable amp in the cellar, the Moca feed comes down one of these runs and I have a POE filter on the input of the amp, I also put filters on some runs that don't need Moca including the modem, does this give more Moca speed ?, I don't know but it does not seem like it does any harm, and POE filters are not that much money.
     
  3. Jul 15, 2013 #123 of 1812
    MikeAndrews

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    :eek: I just ordered the ActionTec pair from TiVo for my neighbor. I didn't notice the POE filter. Owell. I'll probably need a third bridge for him soon.

    TiVo's price of $89.99 was a better deal than elsewhere, even after adding shipping and tax. It's $10 less than even Amazon Prime.

    Will I need to check or upgrade the firmware?
     
  4. Jul 16, 2013 #124 of 1812
    MikeAndrews

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    I went back to tivo.com and ordered the third MOCA and the POE filter. I'm going to call first thing to see if they can combine the orders to save me $9 in shipping.
     
  5. Jul 16, 2013 #125 of 1812
    Bigg

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    I just encrypted mine, and I don't have a PoE filter.
     
  6. Jul 20, 2013 #126 of 1812
    MikeAndrews

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    I just installed my Actiontec MOCA adapter mesh for my neighbor.

    I made a mistake at first that I figured out. I put the main cable feed into the 1st MOCA through the POE and ran the TV/STB output to the house splitter. WRONG!

    The cable IN sides of the MOCAs have to see each other. The signal is not on the output port. The clue was when the "Coax" light on the node doesn't come on.

    I have the 3 node mesh working and it's blazing fast. The wiring is very complicated as the DD-WRT WiFI router is upstairs so the cable internet goes up to go in, and the output feed goes to the MOCA back in the basement. Besides that one of the nodes feeds a second WiFi router running DD-WRT to bring a signal to the third level with a (now) wired WDS mesh.

    In the end the wired throughput is sensational. The Roku and a Mac Mini media server now wired in were screaming fast.

    My bud kept telling me he was "getting 4 bars" upstairs but I tried to tell him that doesn't mean anything. Actual throughput through the 2nd wireless AP on the dedicated MOCA 2nd wireless AP should be great now, too, though.

    We may add a 4th MOCA node to bring wired net to the office on the 2nd level.

    Do not try this at home. I am a professional. :rolleyes:

    I just have to swap my 4 port splitter for an 8 port and clean up a buncha long cables.
     
  7. Jul 21, 2013 #127 of 1812
    MikeAndrews

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    Well, all is not all sweetness...

    The furthest away ActionTec MoCa adapter won't connect on the coax. I fear that the cable run might be more than 300 feet but that seems unlikely.

    I did some minimal hacking and found which cable it's on, and made sure that all of the MoCAs are on one splitter. I brought that adapter to the splitter and verified that it can talk to it's brothers. While Iw as at it I verified that using the old 1000MHz (1GHz) splitter WILL NOT WORK with the MoCA signal.

    I have a 4 port 1500Mhz splitter. I'm temporarily feeding the old splitter from it. I have an 8 port splitter on order.

    I found this decent article:
    http://www.cablefax.com/tech/sections/features/44237.html

    Based on that I'm going to try putting the two units back to back on the cable run for testing, and removing the 2nd splitter, and/or the unused and unterminated cables from the other splitter.

    More Anon. I'm having a hard time getting enough hacking time access.
     
  8. Jul 21, 2013 #128 of 1812
    L David Matheny

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    How old are the coaxial cable runs? Are they all RG6, or could some of them be older RG59, which loses more signal over distance?
     
  9. Jul 21, 2013 #129 of 1812
    MikeAndrews

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    I may end up having to add Powerline Ethernet.

    Whatta mess.
     
  10. Aug 4, 2013 #130 of 1812
    MikeAndrews

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    I got back to it. SUCCESS!

    I think the two main issues were not really knowing which cable went to the node I was looking at, and having the second splitter with unterminated ports.

    Step 1: I powered off MoCA #2 which was working.

    Hacking: I thought I had just the #1 "source" (feed) and #3 client MoCa on the one cable and THAT didn't work.

    Step 2: I was about to bin everything when I connected the source back to the 4 port (only) splitter and got the green LED. We had the Coax link on both sides!

    Step 3: Powered up #2 and it joined the two others.

    Discussions above led me to believe that the first pair of adapters choose whatever frequencies they can talk on, so I wanted the two farthest nodes to negotiate first.

    I also dropped of 3 Zyxel Powerline modules which connected fine.

    Then with a few more hours of hacking an checking I got the DD-WRT nodes talking happy with WDS. (turns out they were Ok from the beginning, but I changed the channel and got the far client to connect to the nearest AP.) I put 15DB antennas on the WRT-54G node.

    It turned out that I needed to have only 3 RF outlets live for now, so I left it solely on the 4 port splitter. I'll swap in the 8 port splitter when my terminators get here Tuesday.
    WOOT!
     
  11. Aug 9, 2013 #131 of 1812
    b_scott

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    my parents may get an XL4 and a mini.

    Can I just set up an adapter connected to my router, and then screw in both Tivos through Coax as normal and have them both connect? They would both be in different rooms than the router.
     
  12. Aug 9, 2013 #132 of 1812
    BigJimOutlaw

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    It should work, yep. See installation option #2 of the original post.
     
  13. Aug 11, 2013 #133 of 1812
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    Any pros vs. cons with connecting via Coax vs. Ethernet?

    I have both @ each jack location.
     
  14. Aug 11, 2013 #134 of 1812
    lessd

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    Ethernet is by far the best, Moca over Coax is the next best for TiVo, most people do not have Ethernet at each of their TV/TiVo locations.
     
  15. Aug 11, 2013 #135 of 1812
    jmpage2

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    The advantage of going MoCa is that you won't be loading up your LAN with traffic to and from the TiVos. Video streaming uses a lot of bandwidth. By using MoCa you are segregating the bandwidth intensive media streaming of the TiVos away from anything else you might be doing on your local wired network.
     
  16. Aug 12, 2013 #136 of 1812
    aaronwt

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    From a user perspective there will be no difference whether MoCA or Ethernet is used.
     
  17. Aug 12, 2013 #137 of 1812
    aaronwt

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    If you only have a 100mb/s back bone then there will certainly be issues, but a gigabit backbone shouldn't cause any problems for a normal user.
     
  18. Aug 19, 2013 #138 of 1812
    NoVa

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    I don't have software that needs to be fed over my Cat6 wired LAN...yet...in my house.
    One day in the near future maybe feeding ripped video's via Cat6 from a NAS.
    But nothing now.

    I think my previous idea was to use the Cat6 ethernet to handle HDMI remote controlling components from a central remote location.

    Now with the Mini, it's all about getting the best picture over to a secondary & tertiary locale.

    So is my Coax limited in bandwidth & I should be using the Cat6 for 1080i TivO Recording & possible future Netflix streaming?
    Does using one or the other affect PQ?
     
  19. Aug 19, 2013 #139 of 1812
    jmpage2

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    As I'm sure you are aware, many of us aren't "normal" users. My wired LAN is often saturated with things like multiple time machine backups to a high speed NAS that might simultaneously be streaming videos to media devices. I don't need TiVo competing for the bandwidth that's left.
     
  20. Aug 19, 2013 #140 of 1812
    jmpage2

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    There is absolutely no difference in PQ with the Mini when using Coax (MoCA) or Ethernet.
     

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