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Setting up a MoCA Network for Tivo

Discussion in 'TiVo Mini' started by BigJimOutlaw, Mar 4, 2013.

  1. Jun 10, 2013 #101 of 1812
    Dan203

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    I'm betting your signal quality is right on the edge. The NIM100 must just be better at establishing a connection with poor signal quality then the MoCa adapter built into the Mini.
     
  2. Jun 10, 2013 #102 of 1812
    farlz

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    I have the same exact scenario as HazelW. I went ahead and bought the newest Fios router from the Verizon online store (wireless N and gigE) thinking maybe the older one didn't have Moca 1.1 or something, but NO, same issue, the Mini's won't connect but the nim100 does. I turned the old router into a Moca bridge in another room and it connects fine too while the second Mini won't connect via Moca in that spot either. There's something seriously wrong with the Moca in these things. Is it possible they are designed to work over Moca ONLY when the Premier is the source of the Moca and not another client?
     
  3. Jun 10, 2013 #103 of 1812
    Dan203

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    I don't think that's possible. But you could test it. Turn the router's MoCa off, connect the premiere to the router using Ethernet and then enable the Premiere's MoCa Bridge Mode. If that works then you at least know it's a compatibility issue between the router and the Mini and not a signal strength issue.
     
  4. Jun 10, 2013 #104 of 1812
    HazelW

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    Tivo.com says:

    Verify you have not accidentally connected both a coax cable and an Ethernet cable to a 4-tuner TiVo DVR on your MoCA network. Doing so will automatically enable the Bridge mode, and the TiVo DVR will attempt to create another MoCA network rather than use the current network.

    I do have a switch connected to the Ethernet port of my XL4 that connects to a PS3 and a TV. Works fine. What does it mean that the DVR will "attempt to create another MoCA network".

    I guess I'll try disconnecting the ethernet from the XL4 and see what that does.
     
  5. Jun 11, 2013 #105 of 1812
    BigJimOutlaw

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    Worth trying I guess. Not sure if it'll be fruitful.

    It means pretty much that. The Fios router creates a moca network. If the Tivo is in bridge mode, it will try to create its own moca network too. This conflict can cause signal problems. One can also make sure there isn't a conflict by going into the network settings and confirm the Tivo is set strictly to "moca connection" and not "moca + ethernet".

    Wish I knew what's happening for some folks. The Fios router + Tivo setup is playing well for me.
     
  6. Jun 11, 2013 #106 of 1812
    BigJimOutlaw

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    Shot in the dark, but does anybody with Mini troubles want to try disabling the IGMP Proxy on their Fios router?

    Advanced > IGMP Proxy > Disable

    Unless you use their multi-room DVR, you don't need it. It's mostly a data sharing/auto discovery thing and probably won't work, but it helped fix an unrelated problem I was having with various devices as well as the iOS app.
     
  7. Jun 11, 2013 #107 of 1812
    Hrbek14

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    One note to make - after looking through this thread, I sent off a message to TiVo support to ask about the ethernet port on the TiVo Mini. Since I'll be using MoCA with my XL4 running the network (it is directly attached to the router) and my Mini will be in another room, connected by MoCA, I thought I might be able to use the ethernet port on the Mini to connect another device to the network, but support said it is an input only port, so I'd need to get a MoCA adapter to do that. Too bad - it seems like I should be able to piggy-back on the built-in capability.
     
  8. Jun 11, 2013 #108 of 1812
    Dan203

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    Yeah the Mini does not bridge MoCa and Ethernet like the XL4 does. On the Mini it's one or the other.
     
  9. Jun 11, 2013 #109 of 1812
    farlz

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    Do you also have a Mini in the mix with your Fios router and Tivo?
     
  10. Jun 11, 2013 #110 of 1812
    BigJimOutlaw

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    Yep. I have an Elite and Mini using moca, and a classic Premiere using moca via a second Actiontec router in bridge mode.
     
  11. Jun 13, 2013 #111 of 1812
    HazelW

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    I disconnected the ethernet cable from my XL4, but the network status still says "moca + ethernet". It also says "no more moca nodes available". Perhaps I should reboot the DVR and see if that makes a difference.
     
  12. Jun 13, 2013 #112 of 1812
    HazelW

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    Well I just reset the network on the XL4 to ethernet and of course it did not connect since there is no ethernet connected. I then reset it to moca. At first it said it could not find a connection but after trying a few times it connected via moca. I then went to the mini and tried moca again, and viola--it worked!

    The XL4 still says "ethernet + moca" even though there is no ethernet cable connected right now.

    Next step will be to reconnect the ethernet cabel on the XL4 that goes to a switch and a PS3 and TV and see if the mini still works.

    So faltz--give that a try and see if you can get the mini to work.
     
  13. Jun 13, 2013 #113 of 1812
    farlz

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    Thanks, will do (might be a while, it's actually my dad's setup which I "support"). I also have a Roku connected to the XL4's ethernet port, hopefully that won't be an issue. I never did reboot the XL4 after installing the Mini's (was pressed for time), I should knock myself in the head for disregarding the first step in computer troubleshooting - REBOOT!
     
  14. Jun 13, 2013 #114 of 1812
    HazelW

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    Also, disconnect the Roku before trying the mini again. I actually did not reboot, just redid the network setup after disconnecting the ethernet cable.
     
  15. Jun 13, 2013 #115 of 1812
    topperge

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    Hey guys,
    I've been trying to get this working with both Brighthouse and Tivo tech support for two days and it's become a bunch of finger pointing. Hoping to get some help here.

    My setup is an XL4 connected to a Sonicwall TZ215 router via Ethernet and enabling the MOCA bridge on the XL4. I'm trying to get it to connect to a Mini via MOCA.

    I've confirmed that the TV signal is getting to the TV where the mini is so no problems there. I've put a POE filter in the correct spot before any splitters. I'm running a Motorola SB6141 of my own which does not have MOCA built in.

    My XL4 and Mini will not get on the MOCA network at all. The XL4 gets an IP from the Sonicwall but the bridging doesn't seem to be working. When I plug the mini directly into the XL4 the MOCA interfaces on both sides are enabled and online but the mini isn't able to find the XL4. (It's farkin direct connected!!!) At this point Brighthouse and Tivo are at a loss.

    Any ideas?
    Matt
     
  16. Jun 13, 2013 #116 of 1812
    BigJimOutlaw

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    Sounds like you know what you're doing. Is the XL4 network settings set to "ethernet + moca" for your setup?

    Are all of the splitters between the XL4 and Mini rated for at least 1000 MHz? You may get a TV signal, but moca operates at a higher frequency than the video.

    Is there an amp? That too would need to be able to pass-through at least 1000MHz.
     
  17. Jun 13, 2013 #117 of 1812
    Pacomartin

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    I like this diagram because it clearly shows the coax output labelled "TV/STB out" going to the cable modem, and not to the TV/STB.

    I realized that the bridge has an engraved label for another intended purpose, that of being used in pairs. In pair usage, the Coax is just a relay for the ethernet signal.

    I note that the cable installer put two MoCa filters on my system. One at the "point of entry" and a second one at the cable modem. I am not precisely sure what is the reason for the second filter, but it works fine. I assume that he knows what he is doing.

    I am curious as to the motivation, however.
     
  18. Jun 13, 2013 #118 of 1812
    topperge

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    Yes, shows ethernet+moca, but you might have hit on something with the splitters. I don't have any amps but the splitters only work up to 1002MHz. After reading moca runs between 500-1500.

    Looks like I'm making a rat shack trip in the morning.
     
  19. Jun 14, 2013 #119 of 1812
    Loach

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    I actually don't much like that diagram because it sort of implies that you *need* the MoCA adapter connected to the cable modem, which you don't. You just need it connected to your cable plant *somewhere*. My adapter is bridged in the basement, nowhere near my cable modem.

    The MoCA filter your installer put at the cable modem is to prevent MoCA interference with the modem. There has been much debate on these forums as to whether it's necessary or actually does anything, but it isn't likely to hurt.
     
  20. Jun 18, 2013 #120 of 1812
    Bigg

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    The MoCA filter on the modem does absolutely nothing. The legitimate debate is whether you need one at the point of entry, and from what I've heard, the answer is usually no, but sometimes yes.
     

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