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Setting up a MoCA Network for Tivo

Discussion in 'TiVo Mini' started by BigJimOutlaw, Mar 4, 2013.

  1. Mar 14, 2013 #81 of 1815
    anom

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    Hmm... Not sure where I'm going wrong with my set up, maybe someone can point it out.

    I have an XL4, connected via ethernet, using a Comcast cable card. I just got a Mini for the bedroom. I enabled MoCA on the Tivo (I've never used it before), gave it permission to allocate a tuner to the Mini and plugged the coax in the bedroom into the Mini.

    I registered the Mini with Tivo and started guided set up. I selected MoCA, but the Mini does not recognize a network.

    From what I gathered here, if my Tivo is hooked up through ethernet and connected to a coax cable, I don't need a MoCA adapter. Am I wrong about that? If not, what did I miss?
     
  2. Mar 14, 2013 #82 of 1815
    Dan203

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    Sounds like you've got it connected right. When you setup the XL4 did you use the MoCa+Ethernet option?

    Are there a lot of splitters or a really long run of coax between the TiVo and Mini? Anything else that might be blocking the signal like an amplifier or filter of any kind?
     
  3. Mar 14, 2013 #83 of 1815
    anom

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    Yes, Ethernet + MoCA.

    No amplifiers or filters. I didn't run any cable, there's a cable in the living room and one in the bedroom. The rooms aren't far apart, but I don't know how much cable there is between the two rooms.

    When I connect the Tivo to the network, it seems to be loading information very, very slowly since I enabled MoCA. But I'm still able to get my normal HD connection on Netflix.
     
  4. Mar 14, 2013 #84 of 1815
    Dan203

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    When I bought my MoCa adapter I had a little trouble getting it to talk to the TiVo. I ended up rebooting the TiVo, waiting until it was completely done, then powering on the adapter. It took a couple more minutes and then they finally synced. Since then both have been powered off multiple times and never had a problem syncing. Only that during initial setup did I have any trouble.
     
  5. Mar 16, 2013 #85 of 1815
    overFEDEXed

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    Thank you for this info. My PHY rates were 120!, before I read your post.
    I removed a couple of 1000mhz splitters and now I'm at 220.

    Now, to get the POE in place. Cox included three with their free connection kits.


    Thanks again.
     
  6. Mar 17, 2013 #86 of 1815
    dmk1974

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    Hi all. I wound up buying a TiVo Premiere 4 today (the 75-hour 4-tuner model) and a TiVo Mini so we can watch TiVo on our little kitchen HDTV.

    I have it all connected just like option #2 from the TiVo site:
    http://www.tivo.com/products/tivo-mini/index.html

    No separate MoCA adapter since my understanding per that setup is that I do not need one (right?). The 4-tuner TiVo actually set up fine (and surprisingly the cablecard transfer via Comcast only took a 6 minute call).

    But while setting up the TiVo Mini now, I am not getting a MoCA network connection established via the coax wall connection. Did I not follow the connection instructions correctly? I had that kitchen TV connected to a little Comcast box for a couple years so I know the connection and signal strength is good (for TV at least).

    EDIT: I decided to reboot the new 4-tuner TiVo and after it restarted, I was able to see it from the TiVo Mini. Now downloading all the updates, but I am now able to watch live TV on the Mini! Pretty slick!
     
  7. May 28, 2013 #87 of 1815
    HazelW

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    I set up the mini (after activating) and used MOCA. I kept getting a C33 error--no MOCA. I have an XL4 on MOCA and it works fine. So I switched to Ethernet using a MOCA adapter (NIM100) and now the mini worked fine. Tried MOCA again and same error. I must have a MOCA siganlon the outlet since the NIM100 works, but the mini does not. Any suggestions?
     
  8. May 29, 2013 #88 of 1815
    farlz

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    I have FIOS so already have MOCA via the Verizon router. Just hooked up an XL4 and two mini's intending on using the built-in MOCA in all three. The XL4 connected fine, but the two mini's could not find the MOCA network. Like the poster above I had a nim-100 MOCA adapter handy so I used that for one mini and it worked fine. Why does my existing MOCA equipment and the XL4 work fine with the Verizon router but the mini's do not?
     
  9. May 30, 2013 #89 of 1815
    BigJimOutlaw

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    Hazel/farlz... this might be a stretch but have your Minis been updated to the latest software? When the Mini first came out, an update was available right away that cleared up a moca networking issue for me. Maybe connecting both through the NIM100 temporarily (or some other means) to let them grab the newest software release could help fix it? Just a thought.
     
  10. May 30, 2013 #90 of 1815
    HazelW

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    I did update the software on mine but it still had the problem. I sent mine back to amazon (after calling TiVo) and am getting a new one today. I hope there is not a bad batch of minis with defective MOCA.
     
  11. May 30, 2013 #91 of 1815
    HazelW

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    Just got my replacement mini and it has the same problem. Moca does not work, but nim100 works on same outlet. I guess I'll just try to get my lifetime service refunded and return the mini and do without. Can't see trying it over and over until TiVo recalls the bad batch--assuming that is what it is.
     
  12. May 30, 2013 #92 of 1815
    aaronwt

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    Have you tried manually selecting the MoCA channel for all your MoCA devices?
     
  13. May 30, 2013 #93 of 1815
    HazelW

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    I have not tried that but I did try using a different device to connect to the router. The XL4 on Moca worked fine either way but the mini does not.
     
  14. May 30, 2013 #94 of 1815
    Dan203

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    As a test try putting the mini in the same room as the XL4 and see if they can talk via MoCa. Could be that the nim100 is just better at picking up a weak signal. If that's the case then you may want to check your wiring and remove any unused splitters or cable runs to boost the signal to the room where you actually want the Mini. If it doesn't work even in the same room then there is something wrong with the Mini itself.
     
  15. May 30, 2013 #95 of 1815
    farlz

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    Do the minis use a different chipset for MOCA than theXL4?
     
  16. May 30, 2013 #96 of 1815
    Dan203

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    I believe the MoCa capabilities in the Mini are built right into the main Broadcom chipset. Also I seem to remember seeing something somewhere that said the Mini was only MoCa 1.1 capable, while the XL4 was 1.2. Although I'm not sure what that difference entails in the real world. Obviously TiVo designed the Mini to work with the XL4 so their MoCa capabilities must be compatible.
     
  17. May 30, 2013 #97 of 1815
    farlz

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    I know the mini and XL4 are compatible when using the XL4 as the source of the MOCA, but it appears that for those of us with existing MOCA from a Verizon MI424WR Verizon FIOS router, the XL4 connects fine as a client but the minis do not. Has anyone here been able to connect a mini to a Verizon MI424WR?
     
  18. May 31, 2013 #98 of 1815
    BigJimOutlaw

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    I'm not experiencing any issues using the Fios/Actiontec router.

    For either of you, are there any amps or old splitters rated for less than 1000MHz on the coax leading to those TVs? Either of those could kill the MoCA signal. Ideally there would be no amps and any questionable splitters should be at least 1000MHz.

    If an amp is in use, it would ideally be at the coax's point of entry in the house so that all the moca devices can find each other without having to pass through it. But if that's not doable, it also needs to be able to pass-through frequencies up to at least 1000 MHz.
     
  19. May 31, 2013 #99 of 1815
    HazelW

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    In my case, all of the outlets home run to a spliter with no amps. My Moca works fine on all outlets I have tried. I have used actiontek routers and nim100 with no problem. The XL4 works fine. The two minis I have tried did not work on moca and I tried both an actiontek router and a min100 connected to my router. XL4 worked with either, minis did not.

    Tivo is replacing my second mini, so I'll have another go at it next week.
     
  20. Jun 10, 2013 #100 of 1815
    HazelW

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    Well, I got my third mini to try and have the same problem(MOCA does not work). So I bought an official TiVo MOCA adapter to use at the router end of my network. The mini still does not connect via MOCA but does connect via Ethernet using a NIM100 MOCA adapter on the same outlet. I guess I'll just have to resign myself to using that.
     

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