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Setting up a MoCA Network for Tivo

Discussion in 'TiVo Mini' started by BigJimOutlaw, Mar 4, 2013.

  1. Mar 5, 2013 #21 of 1814
    UCLABB

    UCLABB Active Member

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    Regarding the video outputs from the mini. The schematic shows a SINGLE out for component video. Is there some sort of mini plug that carries all three components? I've been unable to find such a cable. (I asked this question on the "mini lives" thread but it is buried)

    I ask this because initially I will be hooking up the mini to a tv that does not have HDMI inputs.
     
  2. Mar 5, 2013 #22 of 1814
    jfh3

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    Yes, there is a cable with a 3.5mm male plug on one end and a three tail split with female RGB plugs on the other end. Many newer TVs come with these now, especially the slimmer models.

    I haven't looked, but suspect you can find these at Monoprice.com or similar places. I would also suspect that TiVo might sell this as an accessory once the Mini is released.
     
  3. Mar 7, 2013 #23 of 1814
    Kingpcgeek

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    My setup has the cable from the street going to a splitter. One leg goes directly to the cable modem. Second leg goes to cable company installed amplifier/splitter. I have heard that MoCA signals will not pass through most amplifiers, so I haven't bothered to install a MoCA adapter at my router. Instead I am using my Elite to bridge a MoCA connection to my Premiere 4. I am wondering if I still need to install a POE filter since I have the amplifier in place that technically is not supposed to pass MoCA signals?
     
  4. Mar 7, 2013 #24 of 1814
    Loach

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    tvn

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    That document is insightful but way over my head. I am feeding two Tivo's on the lower level and sending a signal up to a splitter to supply the bedrooms with MOCA. Has anyone found a multi-port splitter that will send MOCA to multiple rooms, and pass good video signal strength? I'm already using one splitter on the main level for MOCA. My two Minis should be here on Wednesday or Thursday from BB.
     
  6. Mar 11, 2013 #26 of 1814
    jjd_87

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    So the POE filter can attach directly to the input on the splitter?

    I think thats what I'm reading but I just wanna make sure. Ordered my Mini and POE filter today from TiVo. :)
     
  7. Mar 11, 2013 #27 of 1814
    Loach

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    I think most splitters will pass MoCA signals without problems. I'm using 5-2400 Mhz splitters but it's not necessary. You might run into problems if you have too many layers of splitters though.
     
  8. Mar 11, 2013 #28 of 1814
    Loach

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    Yes
     
  9. Mar 11, 2013 #29 of 1814
    tvn

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    I have a high band splitter sending the signal to two Premieres downstairs and one feed to the attic, with no issues. From the attic, I would like to feed a premiere and more than two Minis, so I tried to use a 1x4 high band, it wouldn't work. It passed the MOCA but signal on Premiere #3 cablecard was zero. When I switched to a 1X2 1000mhz it worked. Again, albeit only for two rooms. I will try to find a 1x3 1000mhz to see if that will work.

    Incoming feed>5-2400mhz splitter (1x2)>Premiere 1 & 5-2400 splitter (1X2)>Premiere 2 & attic>1000mhz splitter (1x2)>Living Room and 1 bedroom. Would like to change to 1X3 splitter to feed two bedrooms.

    Any insight would be appreciated. I'll keep expreimenting with different splitters in the attic.
     
  10. Mar 11, 2013 #30 of 1814
    lessd

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    I having no problem going through two 4 way splitters to my amp.

    Setup: 8 way output two way amp (Viewsonics VSMA608C-10R 8-Port), one of the outputs get the Moca directly from a TP-4 another amp output goes through 2, 4 way splitters and the Moca gets to a TP-4 at the end of the 2nd 4 way splitter. There is about 75 feet of RG6 on each run.
     
  11. Mar 11, 2013 #31 of 1814
    Loach

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    If I'm reading and understanding this right it sounds to me like this is a signal strength issue unrelated to MoCA or frequency bands.
     
  12. Mar 11, 2013 #32 of 1814
    Loach

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    The MoCA Alliance recommends recommends having only a single layer of splitters beyond the root splitter. In your scenario the root splitter is your 8 port amp. Can't tell by the way you've described it if your 4-way splitters are on the same layer or cascaded with one branching off of the other?

    In any event, it's academic. If it works, it works. Just because it's not MoCA-recommended doesn't mean it won't work.
     
  13. Mar 11, 2013 #33 of 1814
    lessd

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    The 4 way splitters are cascaded, it is for the cellar and used a test center so I did not know if it would work, did not care as I had a RJ45 in the same place, just for fun I did try it, and Moca did work, so I am going past a 8 way splitter in the amp than 2 more 4 way splitters (good grade ones to 1000Mhz) and it worked, but I only had about 150 feet of RJ6 cable, don't know if the cable got to over 300 feet if I would have had any problems.
     
  14. Mar 12, 2013 #34 of 1814
    johnmsch

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    Ordered my Mini from TiVo this morning. I've been reading everything I can find about setting it up since then. I believe the quote above answers my question, but want to be sure.

    My home network is Ethernet, and I have a DSL internet connection. The XL4 is hardwired to the network. When I setup the Mini, I plan to use MoCA between it and the XL4. So, based on the quote above, will the Mini be able to get to the internet via the XL4?
     
  15. Mar 12, 2013 #35 of 1814
    Dan203

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    Yes. You just need to enable MoCa bridging in the XL4's network configuration menu and the mini will be able to talk to the internet through the XL4's Ethernet connection.
     
  16. Mar 12, 2013 #36 of 1814
    johnmsch

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    Sweet! Thanks Dan. I'll post back here once I've set it up and can confirm it works.
     
  17. Mar 12, 2013 #37 of 1814
    geekmedic

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    I posted this in another thread, but thought it would be more appropriate here.

    Has anyone looked at their network status of their Mini to see the MoCA speeds?

    My Mini's MoCA status had transmit and receive rates of 240 and 245 Mbps. Is that actually how fast it's working? I thought MoCA 1.1 was limited to around 170 Mbps?
     
  18. Mar 12, 2013 #38 of 1814
    lessd

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    And where did you look to see the speed, is that only on the Mini itself as I never seen it on the TP-4 with Moca enabled.
     
  19. Mar 12, 2013 #39 of 1814
    geekmedic

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    Settings -> Network -> Network Status
     
  20. Mar 12, 2013 #40 of 1814
    tvn

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    You are 100% correct. MOCA is working everywhere but upstairs bedrooms have poor signal strength. Odd that WGN Superstation and a few others like CNN HD, HBO, and Showtime come in perfectly, but others are Searching For Signal. Even locals won't come in. Do we know of an amplifier that won't upset MOCA? I don't want to call Comcast since they'll start interpreting my multi room setup and add extra outlets to my multiple Tivos.
     

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