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Setting up a MoCA Network for Tivo

Discussion in 'TiVo Mini' started by BigJimOutlaw, Mar 4, 2013.

  1. Jun 30, 2014 #321 of 1814
    sheshechic

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    Thanks BigJim, you really put a smile on my face. I'm going to try the other mini just to eliminate the possibility that I have one bad mini, and if so, then I can just swap them out. If not then I'll probably just do as you've suggested. I'm spoiled and no longer care for wireless, besides the living room (where the problem exists) has problems with wireless reception. Actually, thinking about it, it's always been a problem room, even cable reception was bad in there- long story. Anyway... Thank you so much for your help.
    Sheila
     
  2. Jun 30, 2014 #322 of 1814
    sheshechic

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    Didn't work with other mini either. I'm ordering another adapter and will update after it arrives- just in case anyone else goes through the same thing.

    Does anyone think that posting my question on another board could have better results?
     
  3. Jul 3, 2014 #323 of 1814
    Farplaner

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    Hello all, I'm trying to get my Roamio Plus to connect to the MoCA network that I have working already, but no luck (C33 error). I currently have Verizon FiOS (but not using their router). This is my current setup:

    1st floor:
    ONT (ethernet) -> Router -> Netgear MoCA adapter (mca1001) -> Coax outlet

    2nd floor:
    Coax outlet -> Netgear MoCA adapter (mca1001) -> network switch -> other devices

    Coax outlet -> FiOS DVR

    Everything is currently working, having MoCA connectivity to all other devices I have on the network. (FiOS DVR can access guide data and VOD)

    Now when I tried to replace my FiOS DVR with my Roamio Plus, and try to connect via MoCA. It doesn't work (C33 error). I can connect an ethernet cable to it since I have the network switch nearby, but I was hoping I can replace the netgear on the 2nd floor and just use the Roamio Plus as the MoCA bridge.

    I looked into the Netgear status and it says it uses MoCA 1.1, which should be what the Roamio uses, so I'm a bit lost at the moment why it wouldn't connect to the MoCA network.

    Am I missing anything? Thanks in advance.
     
  4. Jul 3, 2014 #324 of 1814
    BigJimOutlaw

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    I would try different moca channel settings on the Roamio (including Auto if it's not already) to see if any of them hit.

    If that's a no-go, you could try connecting the Roamio to the moca network at another location and see if it connects. This may either isolate the Roamio as the issue, or perhaps that location's coax as the issue.

    Have you tried making it the moca host yet? Maybe everything will just work?
     
  5. Jul 3, 2014 #325 of 1814
    aaronwt

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    Are your netgear devices set for one specific channel or on auto? I'm not sure if it has an auto setting. I know I set my Dlink MoCA adapters(which are basically identical to the Netgear ones) on channel 15. Then I set my Roamio Pro on auto for the channel selection. I needed to turn on the TiVo first and then connect one Dlink adapter at a time. Making sure I got a connection before turning on the second one.

    When I did that I had no problem connecting to the Dlink adapters. But when I tried connecting to them, after they had established a link between each other, the Roamio would not connect to them.
     
  6. Jul 4, 2014 #326 of 1814
    Farplaner

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    Thanks for the suggestions. I have everything set up to auto (and it seems like the adapters chose channel 15).

    I'm not exactly sure what fixed it, but I did these:
    1) Unplugged all the coax from the house
    2) Plug in the 2 Netgear MoCA adapters
    3) Make sure the network functions
    4) Plug in Roamio
    5) Try to connect... and it worked.
     
  7. Jul 24, 2014 #327 of 1814
    rodeho

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    In lieu of starting a whole new thread regarding my wonderful venture into MoCA and having everyone sigh at the sight of it, I decided to post in here.

    Let me preface by saying I have read through this entire thread. Some great information in here. I almost feel like an expert in MoCA. Almost being the keyword...

    I am trying to set up a MoCA network in my house and it is not going well.

    See the attached image for my current setup.

    Originally, the main feed went through a 2-way splitter where one side went to the modem (MoCA adapter) and the other through the amp which fed all of the wall outlets. We (cable tech and myself) reconfigured it to the attached and still can not get it to work.

    As a trial, we split the feed going to the modem/MoCA adapter between the modem and the Roamio. This resulted in the MoCA being recognized by the Roamio.

    So is this telling me that the feed to the Roamio is not working properly? It currently displays all TV channels within our package with no issue whatsoever. I would like to keep it at this location because this is where all of our TV consumption occurs.

    This weekend, I plan on moving the Roamio to another outlet to see if that resolves the issue. I may also relocate the modem and router to where the Roamio is currently and split the feed as we did with the trial. This would eliminate the need for the MoCA adapter as I could just connect to the router directly via Cat5e.

    Any thoughts and/or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
     

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  8. Jul 24, 2014 #328 of 1814
    eboydog

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    What is the purpose of the ecb2500c moca adapter? Are you using that to bridge your ethernet into moca instead of using the Roamio Plus to bridge it since it doesnt appear you have ethernet going to the plus?

    I would take the amp out and see what happens, I understand that unless its specifically designed for moca, those can cause issues.
     
  9. Jul 24, 2014 #329 of 1814
    rodeho

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  10. Jul 24, 2014 #330 of 1814
    CrispyCritter

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    You are correct that the amplifier should not be a problem in its current location (assuming it is working correctly and not over-amplifying everything beyond specs).

    You are not saying how things are not working. Is it problems between Roamio and Mini? Is it problems between Roamio and Internet? Is all other internet working (current diagram really puts a lot of stress on the cable modem - it should really be set up as in your original setup (outside to splitter, one to cable modem and one to amplifier)).
     
  11. Jul 24, 2014 #331 of 1814
    rodeho

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    Crispy,

    I have not even tried to set up the Mini yet. The issue right now is establishing a MoCA network connection at the Roamio Plus. I keep receiving error code C33.

    Yes, the internet is working as it did before. Have not noticed any drop-off. If anything it may be running faster.

    With the original setup, see attached, would the MoCA be able to traverse back through the amp to reach the Plus and Mini? I was having issues with this setup so that is why I moved the amp. Yet I am still having the issue.

    Thanks for your suggestions.
     

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  12. Jul 24, 2014 #332 of 1814
    CrispyCritter

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    Yes in that setup, you would have problems with going through the amp.

    There is no need for the MoCA adapter to be on the same side of the original split as your cable modem. Can you move it to the other side (post amp and 3 way splitter as in your first diagram)? The MoCA adapter needs to have an ethernet connection to your router, but doesn't need a clean coax connection to your modem at all (it needs the clean coax connection to your TiVos). By clean, I mean a connection not through the amp or the POE filter.

    Reminder that there are two settings on the Roamio for MoCA - one meant if it is doing the bridging, and one not. Make sure you've got the right one there.
     
  13. Jul 24, 2014 #333 of 1814
    rodeho

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    I am not sure I follow you completely. I installed the MoCA adapter as per the manufacturer's instructions.

    As I try and understand what you are saying, as an example, move the adapter to the outlet just before it hits the mini? Getting a Cat5e back to the router won't be easy. I have it set up like this because the router, modem, and MoCA adapter are all located in one central location.

    And with my current setup, isn't it a "clean" connection because everything is on at least the output side of the 3-way splitter which is downstream of the amp and POE filter?

    For the network setting on the Roamio, I am using the "Connect using MoCA" setting because as I understand it, the "Create a MoCA Network" setting would be if I were bridging the coax to ethernet. I can't do this because I do not have access to a direct connection between the router and Roamio via Cat5e.
     
  14. Jul 24, 2014 #334 of 1814
    BigJimOutlaw

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    Judging from the current layout, everything is post-amp so it shouldn't (in theory) be a problem for moca, but I'm also wondering what the results would be without the amp, in case it's blowing things out of spec.

    The amp doesn't seem all that necessary given the layout -- the Roamio being the only active cable receiver, and it's connected to the primary splitter. Low hanging fruit is to try without the amp first. If the Roamio and moca adapter still can't see each other even though they're connected to the same splitter, then I'd think something's wonky with the splitter or one of those two coax runs.
     
  15. Jul 24, 2014 #335 of 1814
    rodeho

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    Thanks for the response BigJim.

    I will try bypassing the amp as soon as I go home today and report back.

    As far as the splitter, the cable tech replaced that yesterday so I am assuming it is new(ish). But it can't hurt regardless.

    Thank you for your suggestions.
     
  16. Jul 24, 2014 #336 of 1814
    BigJimOutlaw

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    Edited my post slightly.


    (And of course remember to reboot/power cycle everything after the change.)
     
  17. Jul 24, 2014 #337 of 1814
    rodeho

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    The run to the modem seems to be OK. As I stated in my initial post, we split that feed, after the wall outlet, between the modem and the Roamio (cable across the floor). This seemed to allow the Roamio to connect using MoCA.

    So my initial thought was like you, that the run to the Roamio from the splitter is bad. Not sure if it matters as I know they operate at different frequencies but we get all the channels on our TV package with this feed. And when you say wonky what does that normally entail as far as remedying?

    Thanks!
     
  18. Jul 24, 2014 #338 of 1814
    BigJimOutlaw

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    Well, if there's something wrong with the splitter or coax line (age, damage, etc) it basically requires replacing. If there are barrel connectors or coax outlets along the coax run, they should be within moca spec also (at least 1000MHz and not too old). And the coax should be RG6 (the thick, solid, hard to bend kind) and not RG5 (thin, pliable).

    As you mentioned in your first post, you can move the Roamio around to other outlets to narrow it down to that particular coax run. Based on the diagram it should be working, so if the amp isn't borking things, all that's left is a questionable coax or splitter.
     
  19. Jul 24, 2014 #339 of 1814
    rodeho

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    Awesome. I will definitely be at it over the next few days. Thanks to everyone for their suggestions.
     
  20. Jul 24, 2014 #340 of 1814
    DJQuad

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    A dumb question in the meantime - is there a way to tell where exactly to put the POE filter? I have multiple cable outlets in my house and from Comcast's last few tech visits they are complete idiots.

    ...the greatest moment was when they said cablecards only support 2 channels.
     

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