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Setting up a MoCA Network for Tivo

Discussion in 'TiVo Mini' started by BigJimOutlaw, Mar 4, 2013.

  1. Apr 1, 2014 #241 of 1812
    neo_ny

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    Maybe .. hopefully I will be able to return them if I don't need them! Is connection via MoCa adapter preferred over direct ethernet or vice versa? Any other considerations I need to take into account? TIA
     
  2. Apr 1, 2014 #242 of 1812
    tarheelblue32

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    Ethernet is best, but MoCA usually works well as long as your coax wiring is good. You could keep the extra MoCA adapter as a backup, in case you ever decide to move the Roamio away from the router, or in case the built-in MoCA adapter on the Mini craps out, or if you ever want to hard wire any other internet devices via MoCA rather than doing WiFi.
     
  3. Apr 1, 2014 #243 of 1812
    lapdog12

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    now i get it. thanks so much for this response.
     
  4. Apr 4, 2014 #244 of 1812
    lapdog12

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    I tried to hook up my mini today and i put my roamio pro to be used as a moca bridge. i check the network status and it says my link status is down and my mini won't connect to the internet via the moca bridge, but it will connect with an ethernet cable (tested in the same room as base tivo, but i don't have an ethernet connection at the location of the mini).

    what can i do? i have set it up exactly like suggested and I'm using the proper splitters.

    any advice or suggestions would be great thanks.

    EDIT: I've taken off the POE filter and it works. I don't have access to put one on where it comes into my apartment, so I'm not sure what to do. Every place I put it inside my place the connection is lost to my mini.
     
  5. Apr 4, 2014 #245 of 1812
    tarheelblue32

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    Then just don't use it.

    Alternatively, you could try calling up your cable company and telling them what you want to do and see if they'll send out a tech to give you access to where you need to install the filter.
     
  6. Apr 4, 2014 #246 of 1812
    lapdog12

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    Ok, I won't use it for now but I may use your suggestion and calling them to have a tech come and set it up.

    Thanks.
     
  7. Apr 5, 2014 #247 of 1812
    ncfoster

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    So, I'm no expert on PoE filters, but where exactly ARE you putting it, if it isn't at the point of entry? While there are other possible locations to put it for other purposes, mostly where tuning adapters are concerned, I think almost by definition, any other location in a standard setup is going to cause connection issues.
     
  8. Apr 6, 2014 #248 of 1812
    lapdog12

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    I put it before the splitter that feeds my cable modem. i put it on the feed that goes to the mini and i put it on the feed to the splitter to my TA and roamio.

    I also have 3 POE filters given to me by a TWC installer I saw on the street and asked if he would give me some and he did.

    Everywhere I put it broke the connection to my mini. my internet in the house and to the roamio pro would work but i would lose communication with the mini. when it's off, i have no problem.

    i may have to call TWC and see if they would send someone out to put a filter on the line before it comes into my apartment. it's in a locked box so i can't access it.
     
  9. Apr 8, 2014 #249 of 1812
    Headford

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    A Point of Entry (POE) filter really needs to be installed at the point-of-entry. It is designed to block signals in the range that MoCA operates (I think it is in the range of about 850Mhz to 1.5 Ghz, but I haven't looked it up) such that you don't expose your home network to the outside via the internal MoCA network you have setup.

    Putting a POE filter right in front of a Mini guarantees that the Mini won't work! You have blocked the MoCA network signal from entering the Mini over the coax cable.

    If you cannot get to the POE, try to find a place to install a POE filter where it is the signal path before the MoCA bridge (probably the Roamio Plus/Pro) and another in front of your cable modem. Think it through to make sure there is no cable connection to the outside world that doesn't have a POE in front of its signal path. Ideally, you can get to the POE and use only one filter.

    You can also enter a MoCA encryption key number of your own choosing in each MoCA enabled device as an additional layer of security.
     
  10. Apr 9, 2014 #250 of 1812
    lapdog12

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  11. Apr 20, 2014 #251 of 1812
    neo_ny

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    Yes that worked, I didn't need the adapter at all! Having it in the setup was causing issues!
     
  12. Apr 20, 2014 #252 of 1812
    neo_ny

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    the funny thing is I was told I need two adapters not one! I am sitting with two adapters when infact I needed none!
     
  13. Apr 20, 2014 #253 of 1812
    tarheelblue32

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    Yeah, that's a product of you being on FIOS with MoCA built into the FIOS router. Had you been on a regular cable company's network and not been able to plug the Roamio into the router with an ethernet cable, you would have needed 2 adapters, 1 for your Roamio and 1 for your internet router.
     
  14. May 3, 2014 #254 of 1812
    DJQuad

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    DJQuad

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    Oh so if the modem supports MoCA I wouldn't need an adapter? Makes sense.
     
  17. May 4, 2014 #257 of 1812
    tarheelblue32

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    Exactly. Most modems don't support MoCA, which is why you usually need a MoCA adapter. But the FIOS modem supports MoCA, which is why you don't need the adapter if you have FIOS. Not only do you not need a separate MoCA adapter if you have FIOS, but if you try to use a MoCA adapter with a FIOS modem with built-in MoCA, they can actually interfere with each other and cause all kinds of problems.
     
  18. May 4, 2014 #258 of 1812
    aaronwt

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    FiOS doesn't use any modems. They just have a router that connects to the Optical Network Terminal.

    You can still use MoCA in addition to the MoCA the FiOS router uses. You just need to make sure it is using different frequencies if you want a separate MoCA network on the same coaxial cable.

    The TiVos have eight different MoCA channels to choose from.
     
  19. May 4, 2014 #259 of 1812
    tarheelblue32

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    Actually, it's technically a gateway, as it combines functions of a modem and router into one device. But for the purposes of this discussion, I was using the terms modem/router/gateway interchangeably. As there is only 1 device with FiOS, there really isn't any confusion when using the terms interchangeably when talking about FiOS. Even Verizon itself appears to use the terms interchangeably on their website:

    http://www.verizon.com/smallbusiness/products/business-FiOS-Internet/FiOS-equipment/
     
  20. May 9, 2014 #260 of 1812
    CoxInPHX

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    I was doing some testing last night for a friend, and I decided to switch the Mini to use MoCA and bridge the Ethernet on the Roamio.

    I split the incoming Coax to the TA and Roamio Pro (I usually use the RF pass-through which will not pass MoCA)
    Turned on Ethernet + MoCA
    Connected the Mini to the Coax only and changed the Network configuration to use MoCA.

    The Tuning Adapter immediately started failing the tuning requests of SDV channels. The channels would briefly display but immediately I was presented with the Select to View this channel message, which did not bring the channel back.

    The Cox Cisco TA install sheet shows using a MoCA POE filter before the TA, I never understood why. I assume the excess noise caused by the MoCA was causing the TA to fail.
    http://media.cox.com/support/print_...er_guides/cable_box/InstallingYourCiscoTA.pdf

    After placing the POE filter on the TA, the TA started working again as normal.

    Has anyone seen this? or is anyone using a MoCA POE filter on their TA?
     

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