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Setting up a MoCA Network for Tivo

Discussion in 'TiVo Mini' started by BigJimOutlaw, Mar 4, 2013.

  1. Jan 12, 2014 #181 of 1812
    jntc

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    Even if he does have all those, the whole thing is just wrong altogether - both of them. And the diplexers are certainly filtering any chance of MoCa to work.

    We need a better description of what he is connecting.
     
  2. Jan 12, 2014 #182 of 1812
    jmpage2

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    I don't disagree but his setup looks overly complicated with numerous things that could cause MoCA to fail.
     
  3. Jan 13, 2014 #183 of 1812
    Bigg

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    That's completely impossible. I think he's trying to use diplexers to cut the MoCA in and out, but that's totally unnecessary.
     
  4. Jan 14, 2014 #184 of 1812
    jntc

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    I think he did it just to get our goat... notice he hasn't been back.

    :p
     
  5. Jan 14, 2014 #185 of 1812
    jmpage2

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    We call that a "hit and run".
     
  6. Jan 14, 2014 #186 of 1812
    patrickosmith

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    Attached diagrams shows working configuration with a Tuning Adaptor and MoCA network between Roamio Pro and Mini's via coax. Plus all the miscellaneous connections.

    Note use of 2 GHz splitters for the MoCA Network.

    Note use of POE to optimize MoCA performance.
     

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  7. Jan 14, 2014 #187 of 1812
    Bigg

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    That should work, but it's WAY overthinking it. MoCA is meant to be mixed with everything else, and it doesn't need 2ghz splitters.
     
  8. Jan 15, 2014 #188 of 1812
    patrickosmith

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    Well, my config might be more than I need, but, it works, and my "picture tiling glitches" on HD channels have completely ceased. In addition, the cable guys can no longer affect my internal MoCA network which is totally isolated. They can do whatever they want on their 1002-MHz-and-below-splitters and coax without affecting my internal-to-the-home-2-GHz-spltters-and-MoCA coax.

    I'd like to test the data rate of my internal MoCA to see what I'm getting. I'm assuming that the 2-GHz splitters enable much higher signal to the Mini than 1-GHz splitters (but I have no idea what the difference in signal loss would be).
     
  9. Jan 16, 2014 #189 of 1812
    sangs

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    Here's my questions for the MoCA networking experts.

    I have FiOS, but I'm about to dump their flaky Actiontec router for a third-party router, an Apple Airport Extreme. Since all my TVs will be connected via Tivos or Minis, I no longer need the FiOS router. I currently have my Roamio Plus, Roamio Basic and one Mini connected directly via Ethernet. Two other Minis use Actiontec MoCA adapters, connected to them via an Ethernet cable.

    When I remove the FiOS router from the equation, will I have to change or add anything to my setup? I'm specifically concerned about the MoCA adapters and whether or not they will continue working correctly. Also, will removing the FiOS router from the equation mean I need to install a POE filter? Thanks in advance.
     
  10. Jan 16, 2014 #190 of 1812
    tatergator1

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    Since you have a Roamio Plus connected via Ethernet, you'll be able to use that to create the new MoCA network. You'll have to go into the Roamio's network settings, and change to MoCA+Ethernet. Existing devices should then pick-up MoCA again. You may need to reboot certain devices if you have issues connecting initially.

    I'm confused about the 2 Mini's using Actiontec MoCA adapters. The Mini's have built in MoCA and would be able to connect via the Coax directly from the wal with no need for the adapters.

    A POE filter is unnecessary on FiOS, the MoCA signal is can't pass through the ONT, so there's no need for the filter.
     
  11. Jan 16, 2014 #191 of 1812
    sangs

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    Oh, yeah, sorry about that. This is my second go-round with this Tivo setup. The first time through, trying to use MoCA for everything, it just wouldn't work correctly. I'd get connection errors and the like. I returned everything within the return window, because I didn't want to get stuck with a dysfunctional setup.

    This time, I wanted everything to connect via an Ethernet cable, to see if that made any difference. So I brought the MoCA adapters into the equation and it has worked flawlessly. So that's why the adapters are there.
     
  12. Jan 16, 2014 #192 of 1812
    Bigg

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    The MoCA in the minis should work just fine. My setup works fine with three splitters in between (up and back down) the Premiere and the Minis, and they only occasionally glitch.
     
  13. Jan 17, 2014 #193 of 1812
    sangs

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    And what of the Roamio Basic if I choose this setup? It's currently connected to a bridged router via Ethernet. If I switch to the Roamio Pro creating the MoCA network, will I then need to hook up the Roamio Basic to a MoCA adapter?
     
  14. Jan 17, 2014 #194 of 1812
    tatergator1

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    Yes, you'd need a MoCA adapter at the Roamio Basic if you want to take that off Ethernet from the bridged router.
     
  15. Jan 17, 2014 #195 of 1812
    sangs

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    Thanks very much tater. So to summarize:

    Roamio Pro - Connect via Ethernet, create a MoCA network;
    Roamio Basic - disconnect Ethernet, add MoCA adapter, switch to MoCA connection;
    Minis - no need for MoCA adapter, just join Roamio Pro MoCA network through existing coax.

    No need for POE, no need for MoCA adapter at the router. That about right?
     
  16. Jan 17, 2014 #196 of 1812
    tatergator1

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    Sounds good.
     
  17. Jan 30, 2014 #197 of 1812
    SnakeEyes

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    I:

    -Will be getting a Roamio Plus that'll use ethernet to my modem's built-in router
    -Have a Premiere 4 using Wifi.
    -I'm also considering getting a Mini.

    Ultimately it's the Premiere 4 that I want to be talking to the Mini though having both of them talking to the Mini would be a plus.

    Can someone let me know what I need to do to make that happen?
     
  18. Jan 30, 2014 #198 of 1812
    tatergator1

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    All of those devices support MoCA. You'll want to use the Roamio Plus to create the MoCA network since it'll be connected directly to the router. When setting up the Roamio, the network setup should have an option like "Create a MoCA network" select that and that will create the network. You'll then go to the Premiere 4 and go into it's network settings and change it to connect via MoCA. It should find the network and connect. During Mini setup, you 'll be able to select which TiVo you want to be the host and tell the Mini to use MoCA.
     
  19. Feb 11, 2014 #199 of 1812
    SOCATivo

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    I was wondering what the requirements were for frequencies on the coax to successfully achieve a MoCa setup. Here's my situation.

    Downstairs, I have an XL4 connected via a 2-way 1005MHz splitter into the cable entry (input) and through a tuning adapter into the XL4 (the other output goes to the cable modem).

    Upstairs I seem to have the main cable attached to an amplifier 50-900MHz, with some kind of power inverter three way device in there somehow (I did not install this, Cox did). The output from the amp goes into my Mini.

    If I take the amplifier out of the loop, I can get a MoCa connection fine down to the XL4, playback stored programs (but no live TV). Unfortunately, if I do that, the internet stops working. Looks like the amp is in there for that maybe.

    I tried moving the amp etc. onto another cable outlet in another room, but no luck. Short of calling out Cox, I was wondering if the 1000MHz was the issue, and look for a similar amp with that bandwidth. Buying one of those should be cheaper than a Cox visit.

    Any suggestions? I do think my home coax is more complicated than it needs to be, for some reason there's at least two 3-way splitters in the outside cable box (where the cable comes into the house).

    Thanks!
     
  20. Feb 11, 2014 #200 of 1812
    tarheelblue32

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    I would suggest that if possible you replace those 3-way splitters with a single 2-way splitter and 4-port amp or just a single 8-port amp.

    I originally had an 8-port amp feeding my 4 TVs and a cable modem and it worked pretty well. But I have recently changed it to a 2-way splitter with one line going unamplified to my cable modem and the other line going to a 4-port amp and from the 4 port amp to the 4 TV's in my house. From what I've read, most cable modems tend to work best if they are unamplified in this way as long as the signal is strong enough.
     

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