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Series3 no longer working with Verizon Fios...

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by RWSkemer, Jan 29, 2014.

  1. RWSkemer

    RWSkemer Guest

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    I received a letter from Verizon the other day stating that on or after February 25, 2014, I might only be able to view to unencrypted channels in my package (Channels 1-49 & 501-549). It stated that I should contact TiVo, which I did, to determine if an upgrade is available that will enable my TiVos to fuction with Simulcrypt encryption, use my CableCard with equipment manufactured after 2011 and that functions with Simulcrypt encryption or to use a Verizon Set Top Box.

    TiVo responded: "Thank you for contacting TiVo Customer Support. I would be glad to help you with your Verizon Fios questions today. What is happening is Fios is moving to an MPEG 4 version. Your Series 3 TiVo devices will not support this format, the Premiere XL will support this new format on all channels."

    Has anybody else in Fios land received this letter as well?

    My Premiere XL will still work, but I can see dropping close to $1,400 on two Roamio's. I might have to switch to Verizon's multi room DVR while waiting for their 6 tuner DVR...
     
  2. jrtroo

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    Why would you need two Roamios if you have a Premiere already?
     
  3. RWSkemer

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    I have 2 Series3's and 1 Premiere XL for the 3 televisions in my home. I'd need to replace the 2 Series3's with something...
     
  4. teasip

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    With the recent purchase by Verizon of an Intel component allowing for long term IP based television, I'm wondering if I just ride out the TiVo HD with lifetime until my FiOS package (Prime only) becomes an IP based system (no one knows the timetable as of yet)? It's a large financial outlay to purchase new hardware if there is the proverbial bigger and better just around the corner where home based DVR's aren't even needed any longer. Push comes to shove I can always use it as an OTA DVR since I have an attic antenna, or obtain one of their DVR's until the IP picture becomes clearer. If not clear over a reasonable time window (year?) then a decision can be made with regard to returning to TiVo.
     
  5. jrtroo

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    Yes, but a mini is much cheaper...



    EDIT- my point is one Roamio and a mini is cheaper than two Roamios. Sorry I was not clear.
     
  6. RWSkemer

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    A Mini Requires a dedicated tuner from the "mother TiVo." My Premiere XL only has 2 tuners. It wouldn't work for me... If I had a 4 or 6 tuner TiVo, this would be an option.
     
  7. shadoh

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    Whoa! How.... odd. I've been a FiOS customer for years, always with an S3 HD and HD XL, and I've not gotten such a notice neither in my email nor snail mail. By coincidence, I decided to upgrade one of my units this week to Roamio following TiVo's big push on their sale. So if I hadn't, would I suddenly have stopped receiving a ton of channels? That would have sucked - I'd have been scrambling. As it is, I was still planning on keeping my HD XL. So after April I won't be able to use it for some HD channels?! If so, this has been very poorly communicated!
     
  8. RWSkemer

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    And to make matters worse, when my friend called Verizon to inquire, since he has a TiVoHD, they person he spoke to had no clue any of this was happening. Nor did the person from Verizon know about the new Motorola Medios+ VMS1100 (6 Tuner) multi room DVR. Once that FINALLY is released, I'll have a viable, albeit not as great as TiVo, option. At least I'll have OnDemand though.

    I'm just upset, I love TiVo. I've had my TiVos since the 1st generation. Hoping Apple finally comes out with the solution to the TV this year.
     
  9. shadoh

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    Ditto. TiVo customer since S1 (2000) and would hate to leave them.

    So I went back and read and re-read and re-read the thread you linked from dslreports (yes, I was that :eek: about it), and realize that the original post of the guy listing out incompatible devices was from March of last year, talking about the change coming "on/after April," presumably April 2013. So, did this change happen? I hope so, because I didn't notice anything. Later posts to that thread mention that S3's support MPEG4, and that all was needed was a software update from TiVo. So, maybe that happened?
     
  10. RWSkemer

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    The changed started with certain channels already. There are some channels that I can only pick up on my Premiere and not on my Series3s. Verizon and TiVo were confused to why, but it was because these newer channels were encoded with their new format. Now it looks like they're changing everything over.
     
  11. shadoh

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    Can you give me some examples when you have a chance? I'd like to compare my Roamio with my S3. Thanks!
     
  12. RWSkemer

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    Channel 598 by me is BeInSport. It's a soccer channel.
     
  13. teasip

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    For this to be a valid comparison I would think that both parties would need to be on the same programming package, though you may already be.
     
  14. shadoh

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    Agreed! For me, channel 598 is "MavTV HD" (whatever that is), not a soccer channel, and only comes with the "Extreme HD" package and above. I do have Extreme, so just for fun, I will be testing it out tonight. I will say, I have been using my Series 3 units since they supposedly were rolling in the change, and I have never had any issues with any channels, so either it hasn't hit me, TiVo has updated the software, I don't watch any of the impacted channels (yet) (which is why I wanted to do a comparison with someone who has verified this issue), or.... something else entirely. *shrug*
     
  15. RWSkemer

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    Obviously the letter from Verizon and the confirmation from TiVo made me realize this was going to be happening.

    Try the BeInSport channel and let me know how it goes...
     
  16. JediTim

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    I was considering purchasing a Roamio a couple weeks ago after one of my Series 3 units started acting up. After rebooting the TiVo it has worked without issue. I currently have two Series 4 and one Series 4 Tivo units. With this new information from Verizon I will likely purchase a TiVo Roamio Pro and a TiVo Mini to replace the two Series 3 units. I can sell these two units (with Lifetime Subscriptions) on eBay to recoup some of the costs and at the same time wil lhave three less Cablecards from Verizon to reduce my monthly payment.
     
  17. shadoh

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    Just did a little more digging... the lineup PDF I was looking at was a couple of years old and not current, hence my 598 was not "BeInSport." I found the more current one (here) and first pulled up my package (Extreme), and I could not find 598 or BeInSport. Pulled up Ultimate -- and it is there. So, I will definitely not see it. Any others that you've seen and are in the Extreme package that we can compare?
     
  18. RWSkemer

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    I'm not sure what other channels were doing this for me. I think some of the channels that end with ".TV" didn't work on the Series3's.
     
  19. RWSkemer

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    I already ordered the FiOS multi room DVR and a set top box to make up for the 2 Series 3's I'll be losing. I have a feeling the IP system, Apple in participle, will be making some headway this year.
     

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