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Series3 FAQ - Review - Photos

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by megazone, Sep 12, 2006.

  1. the_bode

    the_bode TiVoHeAd since 2002

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    Keep in mind that if you have a recent high-definition TV, it may very well have a better scaler than any third-party box, the S3 Tivo included. For example, I have a 50" Panasonic plasma, and it does an awesome job displaying SD (480i) content, so I don't let my HR10-250 Tivo do the upconversion--instead, I switch the Tivo to 480i output when I watch SD stuff, and let the TV to the upconversion. Most higher-end Sony and Pioneer TVs have great scalers, too.

    Each time you scale, you mess with the image, and lose something... I have a friend who was watching SD (480i) content recorded on his HR10-250, but the Tivo was set to upconvert everything to 720p. The 720p output from the Tivo was routed to his Yamaha AV receiver, that had a Faroudja scaler that was set to upconvert everything to 1080i, which was then fed to a Samsung plasma that had a native resolution of 1366x768, so it internally scaled everything to 768p.

    480i -> 720p -> 1080i -> 768p = really, really ugly...

    It's best to feed the original signal through all the way to the TV, unless your TV's built-in scaler sucks, and you have a really, really expensive external scaler. For S3 users, this means the "Native" mode will likely give you the best picture quality, IMHO.

    My 2 cents.
     
  2. cheer

    cheer Registered Offender

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    It would be HORRIBLE. You would be much better off spending $100 on a cheap DVD recorder and dumping them to DVD-R.
     
  3. classicsat

    classicsat Astute User

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    For it to record two things from any source, it needs:
    • No Cablecards
    • Two single stream Cablecards
    • One Multistream Cablecard.
    One single stream Cablecard would allow it to record only one channel at a time from any source.

    Having a cablecard (or two) doesn't disable OTA reception/recording.
     
  4. Larry in TN

    Larry in TN New Member

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    The Series 3 is fully dual-tuner capable with only one exception--when a single, single-stream cableCARD is installed. In any other configuration it's capable of recording any combination of any two sources.

    This issue will be moot in a month or two when multi-stream cableCARDs are available. At that point there'll be no reason to get a single, single-stream card.
     
  5. davezatz

    davezatz Funkadelic

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    I do indeed. Trying to get the CableCARDs and my account set up properly was a big investment in time and an exercise in patience, which I don't have a whole lot of.

    I completely agree. If my CRT handled 720p input, I'd go native. I also have my LG Tuner/Upscaling DVD box output in 1080i. Before the S3 was in the mix, I'd us the LG for HD and ran analog cable direct into the TV and let it's scaler do the work.
     
  6. bobharp

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    Dave,
    Comcast told me that I could not have my HD STB (Mot 6200) and a CC at the same time. It would not work. You have to love them. The bad service and attitudes has to be standard company policy.
    Comcast, one of the many companies as screwed up as the government.

    Have you ever checked out Don (expect) Libes' blog?
    Why I love Comcast, Verizon, the FCC, and everyone else.

    He loves everyone.
     
  7. PDT816

    PDT816 New Member

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    Thank you for the information on the duel ccards.
     
  8. shiffrin

    shiffrin Member

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    I have been out of town during the anouncement and my eyes are hurting from trying to read everything that has been happening over the last few days.

    I have a Series 2 with lifetime, so I'm trying to decide whether to upgrade to a Series 3 since I intend to purchase an HDTV later this year.

    Everything I read about the S3 having 2 tuners only talks about recording 2 shows at once. Nothing mentions being able to watch Live TV while recording one show. Is this possible? I know it would be possible using splitters or a cable box on an alternative input, but my wife will not switch inputs to watch something.

    I saw nothing mentioned about this issue in the FAQ and I would think this would be a popular feature. I rarely want to record 2 shows at the same time, but often want to watch 'live TV' while Tivo is recording.
     
  9. Amnesia

    Amnesia The Question

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    Yes, it's possible. You could even watch two Live TV programs at the same time...

    ...but I have to ask: if you have a TiVo, why do you watch Live TV?
     
  10. shiffrin

    shiffrin Member

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    We rarely watch live TV, but there are times we want to watch some news before going to bed and Tivo is recording something.
     
  11. davezatz

    davezatz Funkadelic

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    News and sports.
     
  12. Andrew Ruess

    Andrew Ruess TiVo Fanatic

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  13. TiVoJerry

    TiVoJerry 00-16 TiVo Employee

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    You do not need to use splitters for this to work. There are two individual inputs; one for cable, one for antenna.

    Each input is split internally to allow tuning to two separate channels regardless of source (2 cbl, 2 ant, 1 cbl/1 ant), whether you are recording or just watching LiveTV. And you can still watch something from Now Playing while the tuners are off doing their thing.

    If, however, you only install one single-stream CableCARD, the DVR will only be able to tune to one channel.
     
  14. sharding

    sharding New Member

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    We watch live TV all the time. If one of the main shows we watch is on, and we're home and not doing anything, we're going to watch it. We're not going to arbitrarily avoid watching it, just so we don't have to watch live. Especially for things like sports or reality shows, where the results are going to be all over the news as soon as it's over. Or for the news, as shiffrin suggests.

    To me, that feels almost like taking a much longer route to work, just to "take advantage" of a new car's better gas mileage. I love that TiVo doesn't force me to watch things live when it's not convenient. But I'm not going to avoid watching things live just because TiVo allows it...
     
  15. Todd

    Todd Gee thanks Jeremy...

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    Anyone know what speed the CPU is in it?
     
  16. smak

    smak TV MA SLV

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    Jerry, i'm curious. Follow my reasoning here:

    With 2 cable cards, the Tivo knows that I can record two things at once. Dual Tuners
    With 1 cable card, the Tivo knows that I can only record one thing at once. Single Tuner

    So why not with 0 cable cards, couldn't the Tivo know that I can MRV or TTG?

    Forgetting about the HD part of that, where sending HD to a series 2 is a problem, if i am not using a cable card at all, why should the cablelabs people have any say in what I do with my programming?

    And since i need to do a guided setup to get cable cards to even work in the first place, why if i say "no cable cards" or whatever the setup is, shouldn't those 2 features be available to me?

    -smak-
     
  17. Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

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    If I hook up the box before the installer comes, will it start downloading guide data? So I won't have to wait forever after the installation to start programming the SPs and what-not?
     
  18. TiVoJerry

    TiVoJerry 00-16 TiVo Employee

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    Yes and no.

    If you set it up immediately for Cable (no cards), it won't know you have the digital channels. You'll have access to your analog channels and can set up SPs for them. Once you get the cards, you'll need to Repeat Guided Setup to recognize the digital channels.

    If you decide to set up for Cable (telling the box you have cards, even though you don't), you could certainly set up the SPs but the box wouldn't know it doesn't get the channels, so it would start trying to record from channels it can't tune yet (you've got data but no video). Plus, once you install the cards later, you'd still have to Repeat Guided Setup to get it to work right.
     
  19. sharding

    sharding New Member

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    I'm not sure if this has already been answered. I couldn't find it anywhere.

    In a cable system with ADS (analog digital simulcast), will the TiVo pick up and use the digital versions of all channels, or will it still use the analog versions for the lower channels?
     
  20. Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

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    Well, maybe I'm asking the wrong question. With the old SA TiVos, it would be hours before you had enough Guide Data to get things done. Since we're in the thick of Fall Season, I'd rather not have to wait, and risk missing shows. How long will it take between the time the cable guy slips the CableCards in and I can start adding Season Passes?
     

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