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Series3 FAQ - Review - Photos

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by megazone, Sep 12, 2006.

  1. MichaelK

    MichaelK New Member

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    if it's like the HR10-250 you can deselct the SD subchannels, but there's no need to the box only records the stream from teh subchannel you picked in the season pass.

    You might want to keep the SD subchannel to record SD programs (i.e. survivor)
     
  2. mattn2

    mattn2 New Member

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    The TiVo will only record the Channel selected to be recorded. It does not record the stream.

    # Matt
     
  3. cheer

    cheer Registered Offender

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    Really? That's not at all what I've seen. In the Chicago area, there's definitely a difference between SD programming and HD programming broadcast on the same OTA digital channel.

    I have seen a couple of instances of this, but nothing widespread.
     
  4. hiker

    hiker S.o.N.Y.D.a.C.

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    So it looks like there is no way to transfer recordings from my S2 to a S3?
     
  5. Fofer

    Fofer XenForo Rocks! TCF Club

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    Nope. Not currently. Maybe some day?
     
  6. MichaelK

    MichaelK New Member

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    yup- there's threads about it at AVS.

    Gnerally the station engineers are afraid to change the broadcast resolution on any one particular sub-channel. Apparently some Tuners dont handle changes in resolution on the fly so a vierwers screen would go blank until they changed the channel. And that is not acceptable.

    They can use different resolutions on different subchannels and turn differnt sub channels on or off throughout the day (PBS does stuff like that alot were they might have X-1 be HD and X-2, x-3, x-4, x-5, x-6 are all SD. during primtime x-1, and x-2 might be active, but during the day x-1 would be off while all the rest might be on).

    I would assume that upconverted 480 is easier to compress then 720p or 1080i since there is tons less info. But genreally the station will always send 720p or 1080i and becasue of that there is a much higher 'floor" for the bit rate then what would come from an SD cahnnel.
     
  7. ecopoesis

    ecopoesis New Member

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    Couple more questions:

    Is there a way to setup the output to be 1080i for HD and 480i for SD? Or are the only hybrid options the ones with 480p for SD? I only ask because my old tube HDTV doesn't really like 480p.

    Also, hows the speed of the TiVo's guides and channel surfing. Though the various Moto and SA boxes are lacking in the DVR dept, their channel changing and guides are usually an order of magnitude faster then on the Series2.
     
  8. TiVoToo

    TiVoToo New Member

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    For terrestrial broadcast, the transport stream is a constant 19.28Mb/s regardless of number of subchannels, whether HD or SD, or video compression. If payload is less than 19.28Mb/s, null packets are added to keep bit rate constant. It would be nice if the S3 would drop the null packets when recording as it would make the file sizes smaller, but I doubt that it does.
     
  9. hiker

    hiker S.o.N.Y.D.a.C.

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    Wouldn't this work - use the coax output of S2 to coax input of S3 and set save to vcr on S2 and manual record on S3? It may not be the best quality video if this would work but it's better than losing the recordings.
     
  10. Fofer

    Fofer XenForo Rocks! TCF Club

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    And what would these "manually inserted" recordings be labeled as?

    Ouch. No thanks.
     
  11. TiVoJerry

    TiVoJerry 00-16 TiVo Employee

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    Yes & yes.

    However, if you do not have digital cable or HDTV, your best bet is to buy the much less expensive Series 2 DT (dual tuner). It is standard definition and able to record two analog RF channels simultaneously.

    Additionally, the DT is capable of performing TiVoToGo right now.
     
  12. bobharp

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    Megazone,
    How is the quality of the up-converting of SD content to 480p?

    Most of the quality :rolleyes: TV programming we are getting these days is SD. I have been kicking around getting a upconverting receiver (HK 745) or a dedicated unit. The S3 would fit the bill.
     
  13. ericholst

    ericholst New Member

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    I am new to the Tivo universe, so excuse my ignorance. Since the S3 has dual tuners, does it have any support for PIP or Picture in Picture?

    I have been waiting for the S3 ever since I got an HD TV, but I am seriously bummed, as I really wanted the TivoToGo. I spend a lot of time in airplanes, I find that watching TV shows on my laptop that I recorded on my MS Media Center PC is a great way to kill time when sitting for extended periods of time at elevations > 30k'! Of course I can't record encrypted or HD content from cable w/ my Media Center PC.
     
  14. davezatz

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    Most of the quality TV I get is HD. Discovery, ESPN, and the major networks.

    I'm not megazone, but I will tell you SD content looks decent enough. I'll also tell you I'm running SD 4:3 letterboxed. I think this has more to do with my TV than with the S3 though. For example, my TV does a good job display SD in general and stretching 4:3 to 16:9 - it's less noticeable than the TiVo.
     
  15. talmania

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    As I understand it, you would want to set the S3 to output in native mode. Anything coming in will be sent out in it's native resolution (480i, 720p or 1080i).

    Interesting comment about the channel changing and speeds. I always thought my Motorola was lightyears slower than my Tivo (which has sat unused for almost 2 years).
     
  16. PDT816

    PDT816 New Member

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    I’m a little confused on the asymmetrical/symmetrical modes using cablecards in the Series 3 and the ability to record from two, different input sources simultaneously.

    Here’s the excerpt from TiVoLover’s outstanding review (thanks!)

    Am I taking this too literally or does installing two cablecards mean that you can still record a digital and OTA program at the same time?
     
  17. davezatz

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    My TV doesn't natively handle 720p, so I'm using 1080i hybrid or fixed.

    I think the 6412 is still faster, however since you have to waste so much time with extra button clicks through thousands of menus, it probably all works out in the end. ;)

    Hm, I'm not sure. If no one answers before I get home tonight I'll try it out and report back if I remember.
     
  18. jfh3

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    Suggestion for addition:

    What should I do if my cable company insists I can't use a cable card in anything other than a TV?

    All major cable companies (MSOs) are required by the FCC's 'Plug-and-Play' order to provide CableCARDs to any customer using any UDCR (Uni-Directional Cable Receiver) device on CableLabs list of certified, verified or self- verified cable products.

    The TiVo Series3 HD DVR product is on this list, which can be found here:

    http://www.cablelabs.com/udcp/downloads/OC_PNP.pdf

    If this doesn't help, report it to Tivo using this form:

    http://www.tivo.com/series3hdDvr_cc.asp

    (primary text from a TivoJerry post)
     
  19. Spiff72

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    Does anyone know if the digital audio port will output a digital audio signal on an analog cable channel? In other words, does it convert the analog audio signal to digital (PCM for example)? Or is the digital audio output dead when you are tuned to an analog channel?
     
  20. bobharp

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    Thanks Dave.
    I'm a local washintonian as well. I've have a Hitachi 42" plasma that does a really good job with SD content. My S2 is attached via s-video now. Do you have Comcast Montgomery?
     

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