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Series3 FAQ - Review - Photos

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by megazone, Sep 12, 2006.

  1. Oct 9, 2006 #321 of 460
    rtjones

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    Exactly, that's why I asked what technology the S3 uses to deinterlace/scale, as I want to understand which hardware is best, the S3 or my monitor. To your point, is my monitor actually 720p (at 1366x768)? I understood it to be 768 native, so my monitor then, upon receiving a 720p image, must scale it to 768p. Is that accurate?
     
  2. Oct 9, 2006 #322 of 460
    TiVoJerry

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    Yes, in my opinion, native is the best format in regards to video quality. (Edited afterwards to say it's my opinion since Amnesia's answer is better than mine!)

    Yes, you have to choose between video quality or the annoyance of the evil screen flicker. As you can see, I personally go with a lesser VQ as it is not as noticeable as frequent screen flicker. Someone with a better TV would likely not suffer the same affliction, at least not as often or as long.
     
  3. Oct 9, 2006 #323 of 460
    Amnesia

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    "which hardware is best" is subjective. You need to compare a few different types of programs and decide for yourself.
     
  4. Oct 9, 2006 #324 of 460
    rtjones

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    One last question on this subject, Jerry, why choose 1080i fixed over 720p? I'm not suggesting 720p would provide a better image, just curious. Well, the difference is certainly minor. I've tested a 720p native image, in TiVo's output of 1) native, 2) 1080i fixed, and 3) 720p fixed, and I simply cannot see a difference. I realize that doesn't mean there isn't one, just that I cannot see it. So, that should be my answer right there, it's all relative to my experience. Thanks!
     
  5. Oct 9, 2006 #325 of 460
    keenanSR

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    Running native into a video processor like the DVDO VP50 is the way to go, looks spectacular.
     
  6. Oct 9, 2006 #326 of 460
    rtjones

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    I'm referring to metrics, measurable differences, that are not subjective. But, as you suggest, that measurable answer may not matter if my eyes cannot perceive it.
     
  7. Oct 9, 2006 #327 of 460
    TiVoJerry

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    My 4-year old TV (no HDMI) has a separate component input for 720p than it does for 1080i. I don't want to keep switching the cables around when switching from one device to another through my A/V. Like I said, personal preference but mostly due to hardware limitation.....and it's a mess back there!
     
  8. Oct 9, 2006 #328 of 460
    rtjones

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    I don't want to spend to much space on this subject, as it may be off-topic, but I've been curious about this very product for some time. Maybe not the VP50, but one of the DVDO products. Do you see an equally impressive difference in SD broadcast vs SD DVD vs 720p vs 1080i? (I think those are the 4 most common). Is it pretty awesome all the way around? I have a calibrated (just 3 days ago, in fact) Panasonic plasma (new in '05), and can't imagine an image better than network cable HD. Although I wouldn't bet against it! :D Look forward to your reply.
     
  9. Phantom Gremlin

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    For $3000 the results should look SPECTACULAR!
     
  10. cwoody222

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    Just realized and then read here to confirm that the Recently Deleted folder isn't even included yet :(

    C'mon TiVo... how hard is that?!
     
  11. rtjones

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    Here, here! :)
     
  12. keenanSR

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    The old saying, "garbage in, garbage out" applies with just about any VP, but it can make some improvements by eliminating the usually just good enough deinterlacer/scaler function of most STBs. Having the VP50 handle that instead does provide for an improvement as it's arguably the best on the market at that function, certainly better than anything you'll find in a cable or sat STB and in probably most all displays.

    The native output ability of the S3 allows the VP50 do all the heavy lifting and can deinterlace and scale to just about any output resolution you want, including but not limited to 1920x1080p.

    Is it worth the cost? Hard to say, everyone's needs are different. One of the biggest advantages I like about it the 4 HDMI input since I only have one on my display. Plus, you can calibrate each individual input and input resolution. It's highly versatile.

    I suggest you take a look at the threads over at AVS, full of info including participation by DVDO themselves. There's a few different models, including the VP20, VP30 and the flagship, the VP50.

    http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8623893#post8623893
    New DVDO iScan VP50 - AVS Forum

    Also should add that DVDO has some of the best, if not the best, customer support in the the whole CE industry, simply outstanding, and their upgrade program is unparalleled as far as I know.
     
  13. Fofer

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    Hear, hear!

    Personally I won't consider the Series 3 until (at the very least) it has the latest software... with the "Recently Deleted" folder, and KidZone.
     
  14. mercurial

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    You have kids?
     
  15. MichaelK

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    everytime they spit out a new box this seems to happen (a few more recent features like one touch delete and kidzone in this care are missing)- at some point they branch and just work on the feature set in existance at that point. And usually a relatively quick update puts those things back in. It's been posted numerous times that that "even out" download is scheduled for November.

    Don't buy the initial release from tivo if you dont want to be missing stuff- just wait a few months till the 'catch up' comes out.
     
  16. Fofer

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    No. Why do you ask? :)
     
  17. Spiff72

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    Maybe he just likes the Kidzone content! :)
     
  18. mercurial

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    What? Fofer is a big baby?




    /ducks
     
  19. Fofer

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    Heh. :rolleyes:


    :p


    Yes, I'm interested in the "Recently Deleted" folder. KidZone just happens to come along with that. It's exclusion is more of a symbol, to me, of this product being rushed to market.

    Most importantly, I'm interested in having the latest code. Maybe it's the principle of it all, after spending $800 for the new TiVo, getting a new HD set for it to shine upon, and revamping my whole home AV setup around it.

    The way I see it, it's one thing to be without TiVoToGo and MRV after "upgrading," (and yes, I understand TiVo is waiting for the CableCard people on those fronts) but to be without the latest code and the basic user features I've gotten used to the TiVo providing? That just doesn't sit well with me. I'll wait for the box to "catch up" with those features, maybe a few bugs will get squashed in the meantime, maybe the price of the unit (and HD TV sets in general) will come down a bit, maybe more HD content will start being available and then I'll take the plunge. I'm just not completely sold on the clarion call of High Definition yet, I suppose, and I'm not as much of a couch potato as I used to be. So I'm being more patient, and weighing all the compromises, before I spend money on any kind of AV "upgrade."
     
  20. mercurial

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    Well, knowing a little about multiple product releases with similar code but multiple branches. If they cut a branch to do the S3 code before those features were added (or perhaps they were there but not stable so were turned off), I'd rather release it on that branch (to meet demands and TTM requirements) where I know it is stable. Then I can handle the code merge and QA requirements and get an update later. Personally, I'm going from D* to cable so my only choice would have been to stick with D* and pay a lot more to wire a new house with multiple coax runs or be stuck with a cable co DVR. I'm glad the S3 was out and available.
     

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