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Series3 eSATA Drive Expansion: FAQ + Discussion

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, May 5, 2007.

  1. zob

    zob New Member

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    I recently purchased the Antec MX-1 & a Segate DB35 500 GB drive, the install was a very painless experience. Everthing is working fine at this time. I will update, if there is any change.
     
  2. richsadams

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    Thanks for that. :up: That's the same setup we have and it's been flawless for over two months now...knock on wood (touching head). :)
     
  3. S3-2501

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    We had a brief power outage today, and when the power was restored, the FAP's orange light came back with it. Has anyone figured out a way to get the light's off setting to stick through a hard power cycle?
     
  4. T-Shee

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    MyESATA add-on drive has been installed and running for exactly ten weeks today - it's been 100% perfect the whole time.

    I'm one happy camper - I love the MX-1 drive enclosure, but it's really the Samsung drive that's the icing on the cake; it's quiet (you can't hear it unless you put your ear on the exclosure) and cool running (the MX-1's fan exhaust port measures about 8 deg. F above ambient).
     
  5. jfh3

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    Since the leaked pictures of the S3lite have an eSATA connection and they will use the same software, I expect that the current kickstart method will work on the new boxes and I'm betting that Tivo will officially bless external expansion when the new boxes are released ...
     
  6. richsadams

    richsadams Active Member

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    From your post to TiVo's ears! :up:
     
  7. bareyb

    bareyb Under Maintenance TCF Club

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    I'm thinking I may take the plunge and try this. Is there a particular drive people are recommending? I'm sure there's a list in this 28 page thread, but honestly I'd like to keep this simple and not research this out for days (like I usually do). So. What drive do I get? I want quiet,reliable, and as small a footprint as possible. Price is last on my list of priorities. I just want something that will WORK. Any advice greatly appreciated.
     
  8. moxie1617

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    The 1st post in this thread is updated regularly and contains what has been used successfully and what units are having problems. It's a good guide.
     
  9. nuttzy06

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    Must.... resist... urge... for sarcasm....

    The list appears in the first post, number 29.


    -Nuttzy :cool:
     
  10. richsadams

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    How brave! ;)

    Well...here's where you need to start:

    Series3 eSATA Drive Expansion: FAQ + Discussion

    A lot of people are using a lot of different drives and combinations. The one combination that seems to have the least amount of issues is quiet and runs cool:

    Antec MX-1 eSATA Drive Enclosure Comes with the proper eSATA II cable.
    Seagate DB35 7200.3 Hard drive (specifically designed for DVR use) - 500GB ST3500830SCE or 750GB ST3750640SCE

    I may be biased because that's what we have, but again there are very few if any reports of problems with this combination and ours has been flawless.

    You can pick them up together from a number of online retailers including:

    www.newegg.com
    www.excaliberpc.com

    We've purchased products from both, and both have very competitive prices.

    Others are using even larger drives...1TB is the max TiVo will accept...Samsung and Hitachi are mentioned as being good options.

    Let us know how it goes! :)
     
  11. Kenji

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    If you want a setup that's completely plug-and-play, it's hard to beat the Apricorn DVR Xpander.
     
  12. richsadams

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    Agreed, that's a good option. Apricorn products and service are very good and they do make quality equipment. :up:

    However we had the DVR Xpander originally and eventually returned it as it ran very hot. It may have just been the one we had however. They use WD HDD's and they run hot as it is, but the Apricorn enclosure didn't seem to be able to cool it down enough for my tastes…plus we have ours in an enclosed cabinet with some minor ventilation which doesn’t help. Our MX-1 runs quite cool by comparison...how does your Xpander do?
     
  13. bareyb

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    This seems like the simplest solution and it appears to have a much smaller footprint than some of the others (maybe why it seems to run hotter?). It also seems to have a built-in fan so maybe this model is better?

    My main question is "is it quiet"? I hate noisy drives and/or noisy fans... If it runs a little hot, that won't bother me as much as if it's noisy. I assume Antec runs the drive within the published heat specs and that's going to be good enough for me if if the drive is quiet.

    Are there any other "plug and play" solutions out there?
     
  14. gteague

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    the seagate free agent pro is not plug'n'play as it includes no esata cable, but many (?) people are using them due to their storage/cost ratio (they go on sale quite often) and (local) availability.

    although i have had no issues with mine that i could unequivocally claim was a fault of the drive, others have not been as lucky and i suspect a quality/consistency problem with the drives or perhaps some or most of those folks got an 'iffy' cable.

    i like the drive because it is small, sleek, aesthetically pleasing (i happen to love the gold/orange light) runs less than 10degrees hotter than the ambient temperature and is silent as a ghost. it also elegantly survives power outages.

    i have no evidence to back this, but i seriously doubt this series of drives is designed to run 24/7, but it does have a 5-year warranty and there does not seem to be any language in the drive documentation discouraging such use.

    /guy
     
  15. jlib

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    Since it has an aluminum shell it may have been acting as a heat sink removing heat from the drive. The only way to compare it to a plastic enclosure would be to immediately open the enclosures after equivalent use and read the temperature off the drive with a instant thermometer.
     
  16. gteague

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    before i got my current fap750 i had a vantec nexstar enclosure with a maxtor diamondmax inside. the vantec was an aluminum enclosure w/o a fan and ran so hot it would burn your fingers which, along with the noise, is why i 'retired' it from tivo use after only a week of use.

    the fap750 is also an aluminum shell w/o a fan and seems to rely on the same heat exchange principal, but run 10's of degrees cooler.

    /guy
     
  17. richsadams

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    The "footprint" between the MX-1 and Xpander is hardly any different when it comes to taking up space; you can place them either in a horizontal or vertical position. Both are very quiet.

    It's become apparent that heat has become a problem for some of the eSATA drives people are using; overheating will corrupt the data and cause reboots. A fan is essential for us as the drive runs 24/7, never spinning down and does heat up when active. The fan in the MX-1 is larger and moves more air and it would seem correct that the Xpander depends more on the aluminum case to dissipate heat build-up. The MX-1 also uses silicon mats and washers to further isolate any HDD or fan noise making it very quiet.

    I'd say you’re safe with either option. :up:
     
  18. Kenji

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    My Apricorn DVR Xpander lives inside a stereo cabinet behind glass doors. The cabinet has a cutout in the back, but the doors are always closed, so while there is some ventilation, it's limited. That said:

    bareyb: the Apricorn unit is quiet, but not silent. If you are near the cabinet and there are no other sounds in the room, you can hear the unit's fan if you listen for it. However, you will definitely not hear the fan while your TV is on.

    richsadams: the Apricorn unit runs a little warm, but it does definitely not run hot.

    Let me know if you have any more questions about the Apricorn unit. It's run without a single incident since I installed it 6 weeks ago.
     
  19. richsadams

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    Good to know. Ours is also in a cabinet w/glass doors, etc. I suspected that the Xpander we returned was an exception as the other Apricorn drives we've purchased were of sound quality. Still happy with what we have too...can't really hear the MX-1 outside of the cabinet at all (but I don't think we could hear the Xpander either.)

    It's all good! ;)
     
  20. bareyb

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    Well you talked me into it! Actually my Wife helped. She likes the "looks" of the MX-1 enclosure and thinks it "matches the TiVo better". Whatever... I suppose I can see her point. :rolleyes:

    We have two S3's so I ordered up two of the MX-1 enclosures and two of the 500 Gig DB35 drives from ExCaliburPC (thank you all for the links!).

    My only question is, does the enclosure and drive come with all the cables I need to get this hooked up to the S3? I am hoping the enclosure has the necessary cables to attach the drive internally and the drive comes with the appropriate cable to attach to the TiVo. Is there anything missing that I need to get this working?

    Lastly, is it very difficult to figure out how to install the drive in the enclosure? I remember there used to be jumper settings on my old APS enclosures, but it's been years since I installed a bare drive into an enclosure. I guess I'm committed now either way... :D
     

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