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Series3 eSATA Drive Expansion: FAQ + Discussion

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, May 5, 2007.

  1. May 5, 2007 #81 of 2123
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    jfh3

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    buy.com has this:
    Seagate FreeAgent Pro - 750GB, 7200 RPM, USB 2.0, eSATA, External Hard Drive - ST307504FPA1E2-RK
    for $249.99.

    bkdtv said in another thread that an external drive with no external controller chip would be better, but I can't find a 750GB drive + an enclosure for this $.
     
  3. May 5, 2007 #83 of 2123
    jfh3

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    Is having the remote set to code 0 a requirement? This would make using this procedure much more of a pain for me with 5 active Tivos ...
     
  4. May 5, 2007 #84 of 2123
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    so does the original hard drive still record shows?

    How about power for the external, does it have to be left on at all times like the tivo?
     
  5. May 5, 2007 #85 of 2123
    bkdtv

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    Using an external drive without an extra controller chip ensures that you get maximum possible performance from a particular drive.

    From the reviews I've read in the past, some solutions with bridge chipsets degrade performance significantly, while others do not harm performance at all. On one SATA enclosure with a bridge chipset, you might lose 20% performance. On another, you might lose 2%. On still another, the SATA connection might be split before it enters the bridge, so you lose nothing. Updated.

    The real problem is distinguishing the bridge solutions that significantly degrade performance from those that do not. Published reviews and comparisons on these products are pretty sparse. The easiest way to ensure that you are getting top performance from your hard drive is by picking a solution without a controller. However, if you know what to buy, bridge solutions are still available with good performance.

    I think you'd be fine with the product linked above. Do you really care whether a search takes 25 seconds or 30 seconds? Given the choice between a $250 product that did a search in 30 seconds and a $400 product that did the same search in 25 seconds, I think most members would choose the cheaper unit.
     
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    jfh3

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    Thanks. I understood the difference in performance, but had no idea how much difference it would make on a Tivo. I figure I'll get this unit, and if I have any problems, let my wife use it for storing her her audio books.
     
  7. May 5, 2007 #87 of 2123
    Welshdog

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    Anyone going to try a SATA raid?
     
  8. May 5, 2007 #88 of 2123
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    Well, I'm certainly concerned about it but as someone else already pointed out the genie is out of the bottle. Anyway it's not like we hacked into it. And if you read the rest of the thread Cable Labs made a favorable ruling on the eSATA port.

    I go along with the theory that once this ruling was made somebody at TiVo leaked the info. And as the water rushes out of the damn, it's going to be mighty hard to stop it. I'm more then willing to take the risk.

    My drive is a regular internal drive in an enclosure without a fan but it has a huge screen to allow air in. I compared this to my old drive that didn't have any openings and it is much cooler (by touch) then my old eSATA that came with an enclosure.

    And think positive! :)
     
  9. May 5, 2007 #89 of 2123
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    The external drive would need to be powered up and on at all times since the TiVo would now be using both drives to record programs. If the external drive were powered off the TiVo would shut down and pop up that warning screen as shown in the Engadget article.

    Though it is always a good idea to use a UPS with TiVos, this basically makes it mandatory since you don't want power going out on the eSATA drive.
     
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    morac

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    I'm not saying TiVo will disable it, I'm just saying it is possible. Genie or no Genie, TiVo could do so, though I agree it is unlikely at this point. The other possibility is that they make changes to the way the drive pairings work which makes it incompatible with what is used now. This is more likely than a straight out disabling of the functionality since I doubt that when the functionality is released, this is the method that users would have to go through to enable it. There was also speculation that TiVo might need to make some changes to comply with the new Cable Labs ruling on external storage.

    Also the person who released this already stated he found it on his own without help from TiVo.
     
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    morac

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    Already been done. :p
     
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    c3

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    FWIW, most of the ready-made external drives have 1-year warranty only. If you want longer warranty such as 3 or 5 years, get an internal drive and an external enclosure.
     
  13. May 5, 2007 #93 of 2123
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    Right, my Segate 500gb I got from Frys for $119 and has a 5 year warranty. The enclosure I ordered is $48 shipped.

    And if this TiVo deal falls apart before the enclosure arrives, I can use the drive with my MacBookPro (i have a eSata card)
     
  14. May 6, 2007 #94 of 2123
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    I have three S3 TiVo's. Anyone tried to port the external drive to a second TiVO? How does it respond when the drive is removed?
     
  15. May 6, 2007 #95 of 2123
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    I purchased the eSATA Seagate FreeAgent Pro 500gb @ my Sam's Club for $175 and got a 6' eSATA cable @ Fry's for $13 (BTW, Fry's wanted $220 for the same drive.).

    I hooked it all up and followed the instructions and had the same problem Jack D did. Tried it one more time and noticed that the external drive was lit up but the drive wasn't spinning. I tapped the ON button on the front of the drive, got the drive spinning and then followed the instructions again. It worked perfectly the second time.

    98 hours of HD, BABY!

    Jack D, can you feel the Seagate drive spinning?
     
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    c3

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    That should not work, if TiVo has any hope of getting CableCard certification for eSATA.
     
  17. May 6, 2007 #97 of 2123
    Welshdog

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    Wellllll, kind of. While what that guy did is promising it isn't quite the same as plugging in a raid to the eSATA port and having it work. Maybe Lightrunner can give it a shot.
     
  18. May 6, 2007 #98 of 2123
    jfh3

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    What enclosure is this? I'd like a good enclosure, but not sure I want the noise of a fan.
     
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    My Tivo reset an hour ago, and said that a serious error occurred and it would take 3 hours. It only took about 10 min but I have never had errors on my Tivo, so I will have to monitor this. I also had an info screen inadvertently pop up out of nowhere. I'll keep monitoring.
     
  20. May 6, 2007 #100 of 2123
    mathewbeall

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    Upgraded with a 500gb seagate, worked like a charm following the instructions.

    Matt
     

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