1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Series3 eSATA Drive Expansion: FAQ + Discussion

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, May 5, 2007.

  1. May 5, 2007 #21 of 2123
    Jack D

    Jack D New Member

    175
    0
    Nov 2, 2006
    DC Metro Area
    Is there something I can do to make it work? If I connect to my computer, I guess the only way to wipe the formatting is to reformat but then I'll have to use a format! Any ideas?
     
  2. May 5, 2007 #22 of 2123
    XBR

    XBR New Member

    104
    0
    May 17, 2002
    SoCal
    I see fdisk in your future...do you have a PC or laptop with SATA support?
     
  3. May 5, 2007 #23 of 2123
    davezatz

    davezatz Funkadelic

    4,587
    3
    Apr 18, 2002
    Northern...
  4. May 5, 2007 #24 of 2123
    Jack D

    Jack D New Member

    175
    0
    Nov 2, 2006
    DC Metro Area
    Yeah I have a pc. So I have to go to the dos prompt for that drive and just enter "fdisk"? Does that wipe all formatting?

    Alternatively, I wonder if I could format the disk with Linux and have it work. I just did a quick check and it seems that with XP fdisk is not supported.
     
  5. May 5, 2007 #25 of 2123
    pmace

    pmace New Member

    3
    0
    May 5, 2007
    You don't have to reformat it. You do have to remove the NTSF partition with fdisk. Connect to your windows [i'm guesssing] machine Start | Run | CMD type fdisk and press enter. Make sure you clobber the external drive and not the internal one. :) If you don't know what I'm talking about, find someone who's comfortable with all this. Seagate may have some software that will do this for you relatively safely
     
  6. May 5, 2007 #26 of 2123
    dt_dc

    dt_dc Mostly Harmless

    2,013
    0
    Jul 31, 2003
    Northern...
    No. As long as they follow the CableLabs guidelines for external drives (posted here: http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=5116249&&#post5116249 ) ... they're fine. CableLabs released a revised version of the DFAST licensing agreement 4/20/07. External drives are now included in the license agreement without any approval / verification / certification / whatever from CableLabs. You do have to follow certain security / encryption guidelines. But ... as long as you do ... you're fine.

    Again, exact wording here:
    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=5116249&&#post5116249

    BTW, I find it interesting that this 'hack' magically surfaced right after CableLabs released their revised license agreement which allows for external drives ... me-thinks someone from Tivo dropped the dime themselves.
     
  7. May 5, 2007 #27 of 2123
    rdrrepair

    rdrrepair You can call me Bill

    700
    0
    Nov 24, 2006
    845 New York
    Wait til TiVoPony see this. It'll very hard to put this genie back into the bottle.

    I just worry about what will happen when TiVo really makes this active. What will happen to everyone that has done this. Will it still be the same code when all is said and done?

    Maybe they will roll out 8.4 now with this active. Could that be the big holdup with the rest of us getting 8.3?
     
  8. May 5, 2007 #28 of 2123
    davezatz

    davezatz Funkadelic

    4,587
    3
    Apr 18, 2002
    Northern...
    Why would he be surprised or concerned - TiVo obviously built support for this into deployed software, this feature didn't get there by accident.
     
  9. May 5, 2007 #29 of 2123
    lawilson2

    lawilson2 New Member

    438
    0
    Oct 6, 2005
    Chicago
    Cool! Microcenter (if you have one in your area), has a Seagate Barracuda 750GB sata drive for $259 with a $60 mail in rebate. Not a bad deal. You still have to get an enclosure and possibly cable, but the drive is nicely priced. Newegg's best offer on 750 is $249 I believe.
     
  10. May 5, 2007 #30 of 2123
    rdrrepair

    rdrrepair You can call me Bill

    700
    0
    Nov 24, 2006
    845 New York
    This makes the most sense. Why would the code be there already?

    1) Your TiVo does not do 30 second skip. Yes it does, play with the s-p-s codes
    2) External drive expansion not active. Yes it is, play with the remote while hooking up an external drive.
    3) MRV not active yet. It's not active because someone hasn't flipped on the switch at TiVo yet. A version of the code is in there, just waiting to get out.
    I am sure that TiVoPony or someone from TiVo would have liked to announce this themselves.

    I wonder if the final version that will be officially released will allow people with larger upgraded HD to hook this up?
     
  11. May 5, 2007 #31 of 2123
    spike2k5

    spike2k5 New Member

    419
    0
    Feb 21, 2006
    That's because I was sitting on it until I saw that post.
    It's not a hack but a discovery. It's built into software 8.1 & 8.3 already.

    I got no help from Tivo Inc. but I will take it if they offer :)
     
  12. May 5, 2007 #32 of 2123
    Jack D

    Jack D New Member

    175
    0
    Nov 2, 2006
    DC Metro Area
    OK I wiped the partition using Partition Commander. Went through the procedure with the T3 again and still didn't work.

    Some dumb questions :eek: : The only way I know how to turn the T3 off is to unplug it. When I do that I have to reach around back to plug it in again to turn it on. So there is a very short amount of time when the T3 starts booting before I can get to the front, point the remote at it and press the pause button. Could that be the problem? Other than that the only thing I can think is that somehow I'm not doing the "62" correctly. You just push the 6 and then the 2 in rapid sucession?

    Thanks for any further help.
     
  13. May 5, 2007 #33 of 2123
    spike2k5

    spike2k5 New Member

    419
    0
    Feb 21, 2006
    You don't have to remove partition. Tivo takes care of that when you do kickstart 62.
    Are you using eSATA cabel or usb?
     
  14. May 5, 2007 #34 of 2123
    bdraw

    bdraw Member

    465
    4
    Aug 1, 2004
    Tampa, FL
    This was discovered on the other forum back in February (search SATA), but no one actually tested it till yesterday when it was posted here by spike2k5.

    The drive I used (the pictures on Engadget) had both a USB port and a eSATA port. The drive itself was formated on a Mac and had both a HFS+ and FAT32 partition on it. After using it on the TiVo the drive had the following partition table.

    Code:
    /dev/disk2
       #:                   type name               size      identifier
       0: Apple_partition_scheme                    *111.8 GB disk2
       1:    Apple_partition_map                    31.5 KB   disk2s1
       2:                    MFS                    2.0 MB    disk2s2
       3:                    MFS                    111.8 GB  disk2s3
    
     
  15. May 5, 2007 #35 of 2123
    Jack D

    Jack D New Member

    175
    0
    Nov 2, 2006
    DC Metro Area
    Well I was just responding to the suggestion that I should get rid of the NTFS formating so I wiped the partition.

    I'm using the eSata cable.
     
  16. May 5, 2007 #36 of 2123
    spike2k5

    spike2k5 New Member

    419
    0
    Feb 21, 2006
    Are you wating long enough with your pause button?

    You should hold on to it unitl front panel turns black, orange LED on then let go.

    Orange LED should be on until you type 62
     
  17. May 5, 2007 #37 of 2123
    Jack D

    Jack D New Member

    175
    0
    Nov 2, 2006
    DC Metro Area
    Sorry, as you know, I have this question posted in both threads. So we are repeating ourselves. Yes I must be doing something wrong because the orange light does not stay on after I release the pause button. I keep the pause button pushed down throughout the boot up process......
     
  18. May 5, 2007 #38 of 2123
    Boot

    Boot to the head TCF Club

    10,369
    2
    Mar 15, 2000
    Central MA
    Actually, my biggest concern is that this was implemented based on an older scheme, not the one that CableLabs approved, and that once we get the real deal, any recordings on our external drive will be lost.

    That could explain Pony's silence.
     
  19. May 5, 2007 #39 of 2123
    keenanSR

    keenanSR Member TCF Club

    909
    2
    Oct 12, 2004
    Santa Rosa CA
    I'll be picking up the very same drive in a few hours, I'll post my experience when I do, hopefully I/we can figure it out. I saw mention that this drive does not come with an eSATA cable, is it possible that the internal connection is not eSATA, and that may be causing the problem?

    BTW, not sure if it's been mentioned, but what happens when/if you remove the external drive, will the S3 need to completely re-set up, or will it just do a restart, retaining all your settings and previous recordings?
     
  20. May 5, 2007 #40 of 2123
    rdrrepair

    rdrrepair You can call me Bill

    700
    0
    Nov 24, 2006
    845 New York
    Read this - screen shots too.
    Good screen shots and other info
     

Share This Page