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Series 3 Verizon FIOS HD compat?

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by mchad, Sep 12, 2006.

  1. Doug G

    Doug G Member

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    My two HD Tivos with cablecards both show two channel 572 (ESPN news) in the channel lineup. I can't disable or enable only one, they appear to be connected. Anyone else have this problem? I don't see how it could be just me with two separate units having the same problem. Tried searching and couldn't find anything about this problem so hoping someone knows what's going on.
     
  2. Doug G

    Doug G Member

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    Posted over on the Boston-VZ thread on AVS and someone indicated this is a provider channel error (572 listed as both ESPN News and ESPN News HD) and submitted a lineup report to Tivo for their Vz region which eventually corrected the problem. I just did the same so hopefully they fix it quickly.
     
  3. rage777

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    I don't know why they would tell you where to put it, unless you don't have a coax outlet near where your router is. When my FIOS was installed I told the installer where to put the router. They might be telling you where they want to put the ONT and backup battery, but not the router.
     
  4. pilotbob

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    +1 I agree. The CSR don't know what they are talking about. They mean the ONT. I mean, the MUST run coax to where your TV to hook up the STB. And, the Router connects to the ONT with coax also.

    BOb
     
  5. JWThiers

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    The only thing that MIGHT be a POSSIBLE issue (I have no idea one way or the other) is IF the router has to be within x feet of the ONT and the run is just too long to meet that (say x + 20. feet). Personally I don't see where it matters that much, just mount the router on the wall next to the ONT and then use your current router as a switch/wireless AP or if that really bothers you just plug the lan out from the new router into the internet in port on your old make a new subnet (You lose the MoCA this way but YOUR network stays the same).
     
  6. bicker

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    The only reason we're switching to FiOS is for a higher-speed, more reasonably priced HSI service. Introducing a wireless bridge, through two floors, is a non-starter.
     
  7. JWThiers

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    No need to do it wireless (assuming you have coax where you want your router), you just need a MoCA adapter like this one. For that matter I would think that Verizon includes them (or at least a certain number of them with an install (I don't have verizon in my area so I never got that far into seeing what hardware is included). If they don't include any you would have to buy one, if they only include 1 have them set it up for the computer where you want your router to be and when they leave put the router/switch there (however you choose to set it up as) in its place.

    If you don't have a coax where you want to keep your router then to tell the truth you can put a switch anywhere in the network and it would still work it just starts to be a bit of a kludge (more hardware a little more thinking when troubleshooting network issues). There are many options available that use the existing setup. Some less optimal than others its just a matter of being creative and a little flixible. The flexible part is adding a large paperback sized box (a switch/router) into your setup and possibly having to conceal it some way Or just put it on to of your STB.

    Of course you could also run the coax /ethernet where you want it either DIY or if they don't include that in the install pay someone.

    For those that don't know how to, in simple terms, to set it up as a new subnet, just plug the feed from the verizon router into the internet in on your router. the downside is anything connected thru your router isn't visible to the stuff on the verizon router and you can't use the moca to anything but your router.

    To set it up as a switch (Adding more ports to an existing network) turn off DHCP on your router and connect the verizon router to one on the regular lan ports instead of the internet port. This way is probably the best option because everything is still on the same subnet.
     
  8. bicker

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    The folks on the VZ forums didn't indicate any solution akin to what you're describing. This is the reference I'm using:

    http://www.dslreports.com/faq/verizonfios/3.0_Networking

    Which of the options are you suggesting? Could you describe the topology of the network you're suggesting?

    Is there any mystery why people don't like MoCA. None of what you wrote made any sense to me! :)

    ... except for the bits about fishing wires through walls, which I have no interest in pursuing, since I didn't need to do that for Comcast HSI.
     
  9. bicker

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    Okay, reading a bit more on this adapter. If I understand it correctly, essentially, it allows you to turn any coax port in your home into an Ethernet access point, as long as you have a MoCA router connected to the coax in your home. I suspect that I could plug a hub (or another router, configured without DHCP) into that adapter, and have the same effect.

    All docs I've read talk about doing this with a NIM-100 -- I guess this is a replacement for that.

    As it is, I'm not going to let them tell me to do that. They're going to put the router in my loft (there's a coax port there). I won't let them bury it in my basement. They can take their service and shove it if they cannot comply with that request. :)
     
  10. lew

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    Bicker--NIM100 has been discontinued for a long time (at least a year?). A couple of other companies now have products. I don't think the general public knows about MoCA. MoCA adapters are more expensive then wireless.

    I'm surprised tivo doesn't include MoCA. Instead of buying a wireless tivo adapter for each unit you'd just buy one MoCA bridge to connect to your router (not required for FiOS customers with a MoCA router).

    Your diagram suggests your coax is split twice before it gets to your loft. FiOS will check your signal strenght. I wouldn't be surprised they want to replace your splitters, maybe even replace some connectors. Is there an easy way to change your wiring so it goes to your loft then gets split to your bedroom?

    edited to add--based on Dewitt's subsequent post I think the only issue will be if your coax has problems--damaged by a staple for example.
     
  11. DeWitt

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    My instalers wanted a single run to the HD TIVO, as they said they had been told that the TIVO needed a hot signal. I told them how I wanted it wired, and they said OK, just understand it is not how we recommend you do it. Of course I had done my research and knew that the too hot signal was the problem.

    I found that although they might make recommendations the installers where open to doing it how I wanted.

    As i stated in a previous post it all works fine for me with the router on the third floor. Signal strength is fine even with the splitters. I ued to have to attenuate the signal at the tivo but since the software fix I don't anymore. The Tivo shows 100%.

    Internet service is rock solid and very fast. I had good quality cable modem service before, but Fios blows it away. It is really nice not to be on shared node with 250 of my neighbors.

    And for the record, my router has a three way and a two way splitter between it and the ONT and over 100 feet of coax. (admittedly high quality quad shield coax...)
     
  12. pilotbob

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    I found this:

    What is the recommended maximum range between units?
    Recommended maximum of 300 feet of cable between the root node and the coax outlet.

    It was here:
    http://mocablog.net/faq/

    I have the ONT on the outside of my house. It is connected via a coax, perhaps about 30-40 feet long to a distribution box on the outside of the house with a splitter. From that splitter there are 4 drops into the house. Two of them run all the way to the other side of the house (burried under ground)... probably 80-100 feet or so. I have the NIM100 (yes a pretty old FIOS install) attached behind my family room HDTV connected to one of the 100+ foot drops. I have a FiOS STB in the master bedroom. Cable length between them must be about 150 feet or so. The MoCA works fine. I get the guide and VOD without issue. Of course, both of those communicate over the MoCA to the NIM which is connected to my ethernet infrastructure.

    BOb
     
  13. bicker

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    Hmmm... actually, I have an amp... that will have to come out for MoCA to work right? That could be a problem that FiOS will have to solve, AFAIC. EDITED: Wait -- FiOS tends to run hot, so I won't need the amp anymore.

    No.

    Damage I think isn't going to be an issue, but it's a long run, from the subterranean basement to the attic above the second floor, then back down into the loft on the second floor.
     
  14. lew

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    MoCA compatable amps exist. I don't think you'll need one.
     
  15. Scyber

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    From what I have read in this thread, you shouldn't have any issue with the placement of your router. It doesn't need to be near the ONT, they just need the ability to run cat-5 or coax from one to the other. For my original install FIOS had to run over 150ft of cat-5 for my router. They were on opposite sides of the house and their was no attic to run through on the ONT side of the house. They wound up running it outside the house to my other attic.

    That reminders me, I have to take down that wire now that I finished re-wiring my entire house...
     
  16. JWThiers

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    You got the general idea. Its just like having another ethernet cable running preinstalled in your house.
     
  17. bicker

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    That's not permitted here.
     
  18. rocko

    rocko Cuckoo for TiVo

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    They're not running CAT-5 for you anyway, so it's irrelevant.
     
  19. bicker

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  20. Scyber

    Scyber Former ReplayTV User

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    Sorry if my post was unclear, I meant to highlight the distances (in wire length) between the ONT and the Router and that VZ would install from that far away. The actual route the wire took was not what I was pointing out.
     

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