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Series 3 Verizon FIOS HD compat?

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by mchad, Sep 12, 2006.

  1. bicker

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    Because the manager at Verizon customer support indicated that the router had to be connected to the ONT by Cat5, and the router needs to go two storeys above where the ONT would be.

    Evidently, that was bs. FiOS must hire some real losers, if this guy made it to manager.
     
  2. rocko

    rocko Cuckoo for TiVo

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    Complete BS. In fact, coax is widely considered the medium of choice. The router can go wherever you decide it should go.
     
  3. bicker

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    So basically back to square one for me tomorrow. Grrr
     
  4. lew

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    At least in NY the Verizon installers are Verizon employees (not independent contractors) and are capable of snaking wire. You may need to tip. Snaking wire is generally not included with basic installation with cable, FiOS or DTV.


    My installation has a splitter coming out of the ONT box. One coax leg goes to the router and the other goes to my cable splitter (for video).

    Is there any reason why your router can't be in whatever room is adjacent to your ONT?

    Where is your router currently located? Do you already have cat5 running from the room nearest the likely location of your ONT to the present location of your router?
     
  5. pilotbob

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    I don't get it. Where are they going to put your router? They have to run a cable to your "loft" to get you Internet.

    BOb
     
  6. pilotbob

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    VoiceWing has nothing to do with FiOS. FiOS is about Internet and TV. If you can go on their web site and find where it says FiOS phone service then I will agree I was incorrect.


    My understanding is that when you get FiOS they switch your POTS to the fiber from the copper.

    Does ANYONE have FiOS and still have POTS over copper to the office?

    Anyone?

    BOb
     
  7. richsadams

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    We have the VZ FIOS bundle - TV, Broadband and phone. All work extremely well. All of the original phone wiring (from Comcast) is still in place. VZ phone doesn't affect/interact with anything else. Broadband speed is rock-solid steady (we have 20/5) and video PQ is perfect (excellent to stunning) on all of our TiVo's.

    I already had the house wired with CAT5e to every room plus coax was already run to every room so VZ didn't have to do much more than install their equipment in the garage and connect it to one of the existing coax lines and our existing phone line. I made the VZ Westell router a bridge and am using my D-Link Xtreme N router for everything. It's on the second floor.

    For bicker, I'd look into having a third party run whatever lines you may need (if you need any) and then just have VZ connect to them. It would certainly be a lot less trouble and FIOS is more than worth it IMHO. I think VZ will send someone out to look at your specific situation for free and they can certainly give you a much more informed opinion.
     
  8. bicker

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    The way it must work for me is that the cable coming out of the ONT gets split first, then on one of the runs, it gets split again, one side going to the router and the other side going to my TiVo S3. The other runs coming off that first splitter also will have DTAs/STBs. That will still work even though the router isn't on the same coax run as they are on, right?

    Typically, you don't bury your router under the foundation of the house. :) (It's subterranean.) Besides, I will accept nothing other than hard-wired runs from my three computers, TiVo S3, BD Live player, and printer, to my router. If the router is not in the loft, like Comcast has it, then no sale.

    In my loft, on the second floor, two floors above the basement.

    No. That's exactly what the FiOS manager asked. Why does that matter if the router can go anywhere where there is coax???

    I thought we were getting somewhere, but it sounds like there is still something to this Cat5 issue... Grrrrr
     
  9. bicker

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    It isn't worth the bother or expense.

    I disagree. Talking with my co-workers who have FiOS, I'm convinced that the advantage is marginal at best. I have great service with Comcast. There is no reason to take a step down (we lose the use of our S1, and our S2 becomes less reliable because it will have to operate a box, in a room where we've had a lot of electrical interference in the past -- not to mention that FiOS costs more, because they don't offer something comparable to Digital Economy) to FiOS for television, just to gain a small improvement in HSI.

    No, the way it works is that you place the order, the installer comes and tells you how he's going to do the install, then, presumably you get to fight with him about it, and then you get a take-it-or-leave it choice. Unless the installer is willing to put the router in my loft without any additional expense to us, it wouldn't be worth it, and we'd all have just wasted a day. As I understand it, that's the only way it can work.
     
  10. bicker

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    Okay, update... someone hit on why FiOS won't work in my home:

    So now we're back to "it won't work". This is how it must be: (showing coax runs, only)

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    outside -- ONT ---- splitters
                           |-------- kitchen STB
                           |-------- bedroom STB
                           |-------- splitter in Loft
                                           |----------- router
                                           |----------- CableCARD device
    
    So there is no run back from the router to the main splitter.

    So after all that, it seems like the Verizon manager I spoke to was right. FiOS won't work in my home.
     
  11. lew

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    FiOS is currently giving a $150 gift card to new subscribers. That should be enough to pay someone to snake cat5 or coax from your basement to your loft.

    I don't think you'd be happy using a S1 or S2 box with FiOS. JMO but I think you need to include the cost of purchasing at least one other S3.

    Probably not worth it to you.
     
  12. bicker

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    Around here, no one will come out to snake wiring for just one line. It's basically "rewire a whole bunch of rooms for $500" or nothing.

    My wife won't approve a major purchase, like a new TiVo HD, at this time. :)
     
  13. lew

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    I don't think FiOS makes sense for you, unless you get lucky and one of your local Sears stores has any TivoHds left. One poster just got one for $20.

    I think you could split the coax from the ONT and put your FiOS router in the basement. Get a MoCA adapter (NIM100?) use it to install your N router in your loft.

    There is a good chance the installer knows someone who will snake wire "on the side".

    Again I don't think FiOS makes sense for you regardless.

    edited to add--Verizon frequently offers new subscribers a deal on one FiOS DVR. I'm paying just over $8/month (2 year deal). Assuming your wife decides better HIS is worth it you might see what kind of deal you can get on one FiOS DVR. My FiOS DVR recorded Fringe, my tivo missed the show (and I forced a connection at 7:30p)
     
  14. DeWitt

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    Mine is set up like that and it works great!

    I had all the coax in place when the installer arrived, so no extra charge.

    Mine is like this:

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    outside -- ONT ---- Basement Splitter
                           |-------- 1st Floor (Free Verizon DVR)
                           |-------- Second floor splitter 
                                           |----------- Verizon STB
                                           |----------- Verizon STB
                           |-------- Third Floor splitter
                                           |----------- router
                                           |----------- Tivo HD
    
     
  15. pilotbob

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    That will work fine. I'm not sure why you think it won't work. As long as all the coax eventually leads back to the ONT as you show you are fine.

    BOb
     
  16. pilotbob

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    That doesn't say how your phone is connected to the home/central office. The bundled price has nothing to do with the technical connections.

    I would bet that your phone wiring is connected to the ONT (optical network teminal) not to the old copper NID (network interface device).

    BOb
     
  17. bicker

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    That seems very promising. If I could get some assurance that there is a way to have a TiVo S2 drive a FiOS STB, this might still be a possibility.

    One thing I'm confused about is how that third floor router manages to communicate with that second floor STB. That seems like magic to me.
     
  18. bicker

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    Maybe I should consider the Moxi HD DVR for $500?
     
  19. rocko

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    They're all hooked up to the same coax. It works.
     
  20. rocko

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    Maybe you should.
     

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