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Series 3 Verizon FIOS HD compat?

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by mchad, Sep 12, 2006.

  1. mae

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    The press release certainly wasn't very clear. At points it says all service, but at others it talks (as you say) about "rural". I posted it so that those affected can monitor their local media and forums for details as they emerge.

    I think VZ sold some of their business (including FIOS) in northern New England to Fairpoint. Those affected may want to see if there is anything at BBR on how that worked.
     
  2. webin

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    I see this as a move away from a business that is stagnant and/or in decline and a way to let them focus more resources towards building out their fiber network. A post in the VZ Policy Blog (Link) last week indicates that they are more interested in supporting consumers transition to wireless only telephone service.

    Only a small percentage of FiOS customers seem to be affected directly. It seems to not be the actual FiOS service they are selling, but just the copper wire telephone service (which less than 200k FioS customers have??).

    Edit: Or not. I can't decipher this press release any better than anyone else.
     
  3. wmcbrine

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    I went to the Verizon web site to check their lineup. As I suspected, they list 470 in your area as WGBHDT2, not WGBHDT. Then I checked Zap2It.com... not only do they have 470 as WGBHDT, they have 502 as WGBHDT2! Doubly wrong.

    Unfortunately this also means that, even if you get the channels swapped as they should be, you're still going to see "HD" tags on 470, because they have them on both channels now. However, the guide also indicates (rightly or wrongly) the same lineup on both channels. So I'd just take 470 out of the "Channels You Receive" list.
     
  4. richsadams

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    If it's just the copper lines that's fine with me. If it's actually their brand new (to us) FIOS service(s), I'd be somewhat disappointed, although I've no idea what the track record is with the other company. These sorts of mergers and acquisitions always make me queasy. The shareholders may benefit but often the end-user (we consumers) get the short end of the stick. :(
     
  5. mae

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    For those (potentially) affected, or just interested, there is a lot more discussion on BBR at http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r22381599-Frontier-to-provide-video-for-Oregon-Indiana.

    I agree with Rich, it would make me queasy, particularly about future improvements and upgrades. Of course, Frontier could just contract back to VZ to maintain the FTTP services or just the backend stuff like the IMG. I'm curious about how the transfer to Fairpoint went since that may foreshadow how this will play, but haven't had a chance to look.

    The idea that they want out of the wireline business to concentrate on things like FIOS seems contradictory, unless their ultimate strategy is to sell off the wireline business and maintain FIOS (perhaps with their rumored VOIP product) either direct or as a service provider to the companies it sells to.
     
  6. richsadams

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    A couple of more articles about it (although none of them really clears things up)...

    Verizon Sells Huge Chunk Of Network To Frontier The article highlights "DSL and landlines" as Webin suspected, but then later refers to FIOS service in 41 local franchises. ??? Most worriesome is the statement:

    FTTH is fiber to home service. Sad if they can't afford to continue to expand the fiber optics network or if they don't feel that it's worthwhile.

    Verizon Dishes Off Rural Assets

    "New" Frontier Coverage Area Map

    Frontier Communications to Acquire Verizon Assets (From Frontier's press release)

    They say the transaction will take about a year so I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
     
  7. mae

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    I did a little research on the Fairpoint transfer (an advantage of being retired/self employed).:)

    It doesn't look too good, this thread is on the Fairpoint forum at BBR, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r22381839-We-are-not-alone-Verizon-sells-assets-to-Frontier:

    We are not alone (Verizon sells assets to Frontier)

    I just read a news story that Verizon is selling wireline assets in Arizona, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Nevada, North Carolina, Ohio, Oregon, South Carolina, Washington, West Virginia and Wisconsin as well as some assets in California to Frontier Communications Corporation.

    I wonder if the "transition experience" of those Verizon customers will be better than the experience we've had with FairPoint ...


    and then there is this article:

    http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/...[SIZE="1"]SelfImposed-Improvement-Plan-102033
    Fairpoint's Top Secret Improvement Plan
    To be reviewed by the same regulators who failed the first time...
    02:24PM Tuesday Apr 21 2009 by Karl Bode
    tags: competition · business · Op/Ed · trouble · consumers · Fairpoint Communications

    As Fairpoint continues to struggle with taking ownership of Verizon's Maine, New Hampshire and Vermont DSL and landline networks, regulators have been pushing the carrier for a detailed timeline of planned improvements. Facing massive work backlogs of 40% and customers who sometimes spend hours on hold without ever reaching a human being, Fairpoint has announced a ten week plan to get things back on track.

    The only problem? The company isn't letting the public see any part of the plan or how well they adhere to it. Regulators will of course see Fairpoint's self-administered plan, though one could easily wonder if their judgment has improved. Keep in mind these are the same regulators who rushed to approve the $2.3 billion deal last year against the warnings of consumer advocates, employees, unions and analysts. From the New Hampshire Union Leader:
    In a filing with the New Hamsphire Public Utilities Commission, FairPoint said the information is either a trade secret or information related to competitive services, which is protected under state law. The PUC gets the data; the public doesn't. "We consider it to be competitive information, market information, that we don't want our competitors to know about," said FairPoint spokesman Jill Wurm.
    Fairpoint might have better luck putting those efforts toward protecting employee data, after the carrier announced this week they misplaced the personal info of some 4,400 employees. Competitors don't really need the data to target Fairpoint. Time Warner Cable is already running local ads (see user submitted pic) aimed at annoyed customers. Obviously some data shouldn't be made public, but it doesn't make sense to not share concrete evidence of your progress with your own customers, given it could compel them to stick around.

    Regardless, remember that Verizon was the big winner here. The baby bell used a sophisticated financial maneuver known as a Reverse Morris Trust to dump a significant amount of debt on Fairpoint, grab about $600 million in tax writeoffs, and sell networks in three largely rural states they had absolutely no interest in upgrading.[/SIZE]
     
  8. richsadams

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    D'oh! Are Frontier and Fairpoint one in the same or is this "look what happened here" comparison? :confused:
     
  9. mae

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    Despite what has been said on BBR, they appear to be unrelated companies with different footprints.

    Hopefully, people from Frontier are already studying how to do it better. :D
     
  10. richsadams

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    Phew!
     
  11. mae

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    I didn't mean to take this thread off topic, but thought the FIOS customers affected should see it.

    Maybe anyone interested in following this as it plays out should start a new thread so folks considering a TiVo with FIOS and not being sold off can more easily find what they need.

    Mark
     
  12. Phantom Gremlin

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    Sorry, Rich, I think we're out of luck. It looks to me like the Portland suburbs are in the "SpinCo" coverage area, i.e. we're being sold!

    Of course, Verizon was a Johnny-Come-Lately around here anyway. They bought the old GTE, which previously served the PDX suburbs.
     
  13. richsadams

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    That's what it looks like to me too. :mad: It'll be a drag if they stop expanding FIOS. Comcast needs the competition IMHO.
     
  14. tdel73

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    well I just received the refurbished Tivo they sent and now I'm having all kind of problems. I did the guided set up and what not and then installed the CC's...it was working for awhile, I was getting all the channels I should. BUT when I hit the tivo button I get a blank screen. I go to hit the live TV button and everything is blank there too. I called support and they had me disconnect the unit moves wires around. It worked for awhile and now I'm having the same problem. My Major issue is I'm switching over to cablevison this week, and the tech won't be able to install the cards because when you hit the TiVo button a see nothing but a black screen. I think I'm done with Tivo it's very frustrating, first having the hard drive wiped out with all my shows on it, now this...I have the Series 3. Anyone have any idea why this would be happening?
     
  15. tdel73

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    disregard this post sorry! I had the Tivo on wrong output setting....All the channels are working so the old CC work for the refurbished Tivo
     
  16. webin

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    Oops! Glad you go it working.
     
  17. DCIFRTHS

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    Rich: Did you post a review on your FiOS install? If so, where? :)
     
  18. John C

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    "disregard this post sorry! I had the Tivo on wrong output setting....All the channels are working so the old CC work for the refurbished Tivo "

    Thanks for the update. My replacement unit arrived a few days ago. I will work on this over the weekend. I am traveling this week and my wife is really missing her Tivo.
     
  19. Johncv

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    Is it possible to get pay per view on HD TiVo?? I am under the impression that TiVo still working on this. :confused:
     
  20. thinkswithfist

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    I had Verizon FIOS TV installed in my house on 28 March, and I just received my first bill today (22MAY). As I review it, I'm a bit peeved about the cablecard charges, and wanted to ask others here about their experience.

    Specifically:
    1) I am being charged for $2.99 per month for each single stream cablecard (two in my HD Tivo). Of course, I would prefer if Verizon had a multi-stream card. I was expecting to only pay $2.99 per month per DEVICE. (Comcast only charged me $2.99 per month for their multi-stream cablecard).
    2) Verizon seems to have charged a $19.99 "additional outlet" installation charge on EACH cablecard - in other words, they treated each card as a separate outlet. This seems wrong to me - yes, it's two cards, but they are in a single device showing on a single TV. Again, I would prefer if they had a multi-stream cablecard, which would avoid this issue.

    Has anyone else had similar or different experiences with their Verizon FIOS cablecards install billing? Thanks in advance!

    What was strange to me during this whole process is that I was never quoted a total price for install, not even during the install process (which was probably a subcontractor, anyways). It took until two months later for it all to show up... (and then it taking some analysis to figure out).
     

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