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Series 3 Verizon FIOS HD compat?

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by mchad, Sep 12, 2006.

  1. richsadams

    richsadams Active Member

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    Good idea regarding the broadband, then TV installation, baby steps and all. I might just go that route. :up:

    I hear you about VZ's billing dept. We've had VZ Cell phones for a while now and are still trying to get them to change our home address...it's been over a year now. Sheesh!

    Thanks for the tip(s)! :)
     
  2. richsadams

    richsadams Active Member

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    D'oh! :eek:
     
  3. David Platt

    David Platt !Texas TCF Club

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    Double D'oh. :eek:

    I assumed he was talking about Verizon, since that what I was responding about. I forgot that Rich didn't have FiOS yet.
     
  4. SirWells

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    Finally up and running with Fios, but only after a 9 hour installation! The installer was a very nice guy but completely inept and was in way over his head. He told me all he was given were two days of training. I was helping up the entire time. Other techs had to come and help him from time to time. He arrived at around 10 AM and we didn't even begin with the cable cards until around 6 PM! I could go on and on but I won't. The important thing is everything finally worked in the end, well sort of.

    The cable card installation went well, although the tech had to call up again to inquire why one of my Tivo's were only picking up Verizon's local package only. I restarted the Tivo at the same time Verizon sent a hit to the cards. That Tivo started to work right after, so I'm not sure what exactly did it, but I'm not worrying. On a side note, the installer told me that in training they were taught about cablecards so quickly, because they said the odds of installing them were very slim. Of course, this guys first installation are cablecards! But I digress...

    I originally asked for a Cat5 line but realized that what I thought was the ONT outside my building (which serviced about 20 apartments) was really more of a Super ONT. From that box outside, a direct fiber line would be brought into each apartment. From there, a separate ONT box along with battery backup would be installed. Apparently this is something pretty new to Fios, or at least in my area. I had both boxes installed on the top shelf of my hall closet. I had to hide them from view and minimize the amount of space they took up so my wife wouldn't kick me out of the house.

    The only main issue that I ran into was trying to bridge the Actiontek. I walked through the entire setup from a thread on DSL Reports. My DLink wouldn't pick up an IP address. I was thinking maybe the range of IPs the DLink used were the same as the Actointek, messed around with the ranges, etc. It got to the point where I had to reset the Actiontek and start over, which I did, to no avail. Finally, I gave up, was going to just use the Actiontek. At that point, I couldn't even access the Actiontek to change settings. I called up Verizon where I was basically chastised for attempting to bridge the Actiontek. I had to wait two hours for the Actiontek to work because I attempted to use another device and pick up an IP. Ended up waiting until this morning, had to reset the router, but finally the Actiontek is working again. I really have no clue what's going on.

    Big question, if I'm just using the net for Xbox Live, Netflix streaming, video chat, the occasional bit torrent transfer, will the Actiontek be ok? I keep reading about this NAT issue and I'm wondering if it really applies to me...
     
  5. SirWells

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    Ok, apparently the Xbox 360 and Fios have major issues. I have to find out how to bridge the Actiontek to my DLink...
     
  6. rocko

    rocko Cuckoo for TiVo

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    Errm, not for nothing, but I would caution you not to believe everything you read - unless you read it here, of course :)

    I'm hanging an XBox, a Wii, 10 computers, 2 FIOS STBs and 4 TiVos off my Actiontec while running torrents out the wazoo and piggybacking a Linksys WRT300N. No real problems - I do reboot the Actiontec about once a week.

    There's nothing special you need to do to piggyback your DLink off the Actiontec. Look back to page 45 of this thread for some details.

    And relax.
     
  7. SeanC

    SeanC ECT

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    While the Actiontek is a pretty crappy router (from a power user point of view), rocko is right, everything should work fine. My neighbor does bittorrent and xbox live with no problems with the Actiontek.

    But that's not why I'm replying. The leases that the DHCP system that FIOS uses are ridiculous. Once the system hands out an IP on your connection it will not supply another until it times out or you get FIOS tech support to break the lease. Some agents know this and will do it as a troubleshooting step, some don't. You're better off requesting that they break the lease if you can't get the Actiontek to grab an IP.
     
  8. Distortedloop

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    I never had problems with Verizon for either traditional phone service, or when I had them for cellular service, but you sure hear a lot of people ***** about them on the forums. Definitely one of those your mileage may vary things.

    One drawback to the idea of stepping in one service at a time is you give up some deep discounts on the services if you don't bundle, don't you?

    I switched from a perfectly fine TWC TV/Internet combo to FIOS six weeks ago and couldn't be happier. My internet is twice fast (and pretty much really is in terms of download speeds) and the PQ on TV is far less compressed, plus I have three times as many channels in HD, and three times as many premium movie channels, FOR LESS MONEY.

    Very very pleased, and absolutely no issues with the TiVO Series 3 install, even though my installer had never done one before. The only glitch of the day was they didn't have the S-Cards in stock at his local office when he rolled to my house, so he installed the ONT and internet while we waited for an installer from another area to hand deliver the two cards to my house. Now that's impressive.
     
  9. Distortedloop

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    From my point of view, THAT'S a real, and big, problem. I've been using routers in the house for over a decade; I've gone through a few different brands and models, but without exception, be it D-Link, Netgear, of Linksys, all of my routers would never require a reboot, even for a year at a time unless I wanted to change a setting or upgrade firmware that required a reboot.

    If you're rebooting once per week for stability or some such reason, that seems like an unreasonably short up time for a consumer level device, which should pretty much be plug in and forget, just like any other consumer appliance.
     
  10. rocko

    rocko Cuckoo for TiVo

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    I do it out of habit, not necessity. That comment was probably irrelevant for the purpose of this conversation.
     
  11. wmcbrine

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    I don't know why rocko is rebooting once a week, but I don't think I've ever had to in two years.

    The only thing I'll criticize my Actiontec for is refusing to talk to my Eee PC wirelessly, but I'm not sure which device is at fault there.
     
  12. Scyber

    Scyber Former ReplayTV User

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    IIRC, the actiontec router has an undersized NAT table. And once it is full it causes issues (requiring a reboot). This isn't a problem for normal web browsing, but some uses (such as torrents) will fill up the NAT table quickly.
     
  13. richsadams

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    Thanks for the advice and the positive VZ feedback. I thought about the bundling bit later...they offer phone/broadband/TV for $99 here (and a little more if you want faster broadband, HBO, etc.) All-in-all it would still be less than Comcast. So yes, I'm pretty sure if I just went with broadband the price wouldn't be as good. I'll probably dive in with both feet...soon. :)

    What broadband speed did you end up with? If you had it to do again, would you go with a faster or slower connection? TIA!
     
  14. SirWells

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    I ended up hardwiring my Xbox 360 to the Actiontech and it runs much better now.

    I still want to bridge the Actiontec to my DLink. I think the DLink uses the same IP addresses at the Actiontec. To access the DLink I would use 192.168.0.1 while the Actiontec is 192.168.1.1. I think they both use the same number system for devices though. I tried to change them on my DLink but nothing seemed to work and then the entire Actiontec shut down on me!
     
  15. Timber

    Timber Active Member

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    Be careful to compare apples to apples and also make sure you factor in taxes. My cable and FIOS bills were pretty close once I included boxes, unlimited phone, cable cards, etc and got the cable co. to give me an aggressive quote and included tax. However I went for FIOS for the better picture and higher confidence in Verizon rather than Cox on phone service.

    -=Tim=-
     
  16. Distortedloop

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    With Time Warner, I had the 10/2 service. FIOS I opted for the 20/5 service, which seemed like the best compromise on speed for torrents/downloads vs price. I'm considering doing more online backups of large amounts of data, and even 5 up is pretty intolerable for that, so I'm considering upping to the 20/20. Of course, if I could even remotely justify the huge premium for the 50 down service, I'd jump on it, but it's a $100/mo premium for that extra speed, and I just can't justify it. It would be sweet, though.

    Good advice to make sure you're comparing comparable services. As stated earlier, my TV/Internet package, whether you include taxes or not, is less than Time Warner was on a dollar basis, and FIOS is giving me so much more for that (faster internet, better picture quality, and a ton more HD and premium movie channels).

    It's pretty easy for the richsadams to run through the package pricing tool on FIOS website to get a comparison. Just make sure to take into account that every television will require a FIOS STB or DVR unless you have CableCard ready TiVos or TVs, and you'll have to account for that as Tim points out. My only gripe with FIOS' pricing is to get this good deal requires the 1 year contract with cancellation fee crap (similar to cellphone contracts), while Time Warner never required a contract. Since I don't plan on canceling, not a real concern, but another pricing consideration to consider when comparing.
     
  17. rocko

    rocko Cuckoo for TiVo

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    You should be able to set your DLink to something like:
    IP address: 192.168.1.2
    DNS: 192.168.1.1
    Subnet: 255.255.255.0

    Turn off DHCP on the DLink and you should be good to go. Remember to connect the DLink using a LAN port, not the WAN port. If you want to use the DLink for wireless access turn off the wireless on the Actiontec.
     
  18. SirWells

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    So connect LAN on the Actiontek to the Internet (Wan) port on the DLink?
     
  19. rocko

    rocko Cuckoo for TiVo

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    No. Connect LAN to LAN.
     
  20. Jonathan_S

    Jonathan_S Well-Known Member

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    In my experience Verizon's system will honor a DHCP release. So if you accidentally grabbed an IP address with one router, going into its config and hitting DHCP release will cause their DHCP server to drop the lease. Then your other router will be able to get a new DHCP lease without involving Verizon tech support.
     

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