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Series 3 Verizon FIOS HD compat?

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by mchad, Sep 12, 2006.

  1. richsadams

    richsadams Active Member

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    Sounds good. Of course no STB's for our TiVo's but I forgot to mention that I have a basic Comcast STB for EyeTV on my iMac. I don't care about VOD and EyeTV provides their own guide. I'd like to keep that going of course, so it sounds like I will need a VZ STB. Will that require the Actiontec to work? TIA for the assistance.
     
  2. SirWells

    SirWells Guest

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    So if you use the Actiontek (or whatever router Verizon gives you) when it's connected via coax, but attach your own router to it and disable the Actiontek's wireless settings, you should be just as good as if you had a Cat5 going directly to your router, right?
     
  3. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    Just turn off wireless and have a differnet IP range for the Dlink. That is all. And also set up a DMZ for the IP address the FIOS router hands out to the DLINK.
    This is all I have done and it works perfectly with no problems.
     
  4. SirWells

    SirWells Guest

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    I'll need to find out how to set up the DMZ and different IP range... Anybody know how this is done?

    I think I'm going to go about it this way...
     
  5. Jonathan_S

    Jonathan_S Well-Known Member

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    You don't actually have to call tech support for this if you don't want to.
    The Actiontec has an option (I recall it being fairly easy to locate) to do a DHCP release.

    If you do that before unhooking it you won't have to ring up tech support just to swap routers.
     
  6. wkearney99

    wkearney99 Bill Kearney

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    It's free with the setup. It is necessary for set top boxes, unless you obtain a rather expensive alternative (the moto NIM100 units). That and the setup techs will not debug anything else besides the Actioncrap unit. It's not a bad router if you're only doing casual web surfing with only a couple of computers. Start cranking a lot of traffic, or needing fancier in-bound configurations and it's worth supplementing it.
     
  7. SirWells

    SirWells Guest

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    And supplementing with your own router it just as good as replacing it altogether (obviously if not using Verizon's VOD and menu)?
     
  8. mae

    mae member

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    There seem to be a bunch of us abandoning our cablecos (Comcast in my case) for FIOS. Like Rich, I know enough only to be dangerous.

    I'd like to keep my current setup (the wireless reaches the whole house from the basement) using my trusty Linksys WRT54g and antennas with gain. I've never needed a DMZ and don't know if it goes on the Actiontec or my router.

    Would someone please post their settings on the Actiontec and what needs to be set on the routers? Maybe it could be set up as a sticky or even move these discussions to an "official" FIOS thread with it at the top like we have for other providers.

    What does everyone think?
     
  9. SirWells

    SirWells Guest

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    I'm with you!
     
  10. richsadams

    richsadams Active Member

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    That would be great! That and a schematic showing the setup if you want to (mostly) keep your existing network would be very welcome. :up:
     
  11. mae

    mae member

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    I PM'ed Dan about setting up an "official" thread. I suggested that this thread could be designated since it already has a fair amount of info. By listing it with the other official threads, newbies would find it faster.
     
  12. rocko

    rocko Cuckoo for TiVo

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    Something like this, perhaps?

    The network

    [​IMG]

    This is an admittedly busy schematic of my actual setup. It has a mix of just about all possibilities with a FIOS setup. Note the split before the STB when using a NIM - the NIM seems to strip out the MOCA required by the STB. If you want to hang all of your hardwired stuff off of your router feel free. I actually have a few switches in the mix but I left them out for the sake of clarity. My PC's aren't really relevant for this excercise.

    Otherwise, pick one that you need. YMMV.

    Turning off wireless in the Actiontec

    [​IMG]

    If you'd like to see something additional or need clarification let me know and I'll fix the pictures or add whatever I can.
     
  13. mae

    mae member

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    Rocko,

    Thanks. That's great.

    I do have a few questions.

    1) Should the jumper go from a LAN port on the Actiontec to a LAN port or the WAN port on the router?
    2) What's the default address on the Actiontec? I have some printers with static IPs and if the DHCP server is other than 192.168.1.1, they'll have to be reset to be within the Actiontec's range.
    3) Does a DMZ need to be set up? How?
    4) Some of the house wiring is old RG-59 (but not the main split that now goes to a cable modem). How robust is the FIOS signal and MOCA? I have a Motorola bidirectional amp, will it work or need to be removed?

    BTW, this thread will be linked as the "official" thread in the sticky at the top.

    Mark
     
  14. richsadams

    richsadams Active Member

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    Awesome! You rock! :up: I'll study it and if I get confused (it could happen ;) ) I'll let you know. Thanks very, very much! :)
     
  15. rocko

    rocko Cuckoo for TiVo

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    1) My jumper goes from LAN port to LAN port
    (not WAN on your router)
    2) The default on the Actiontec is 192.168.1.1 - you're in luck
    3) I just turn off the firewall on my Linksys. This effectively makes all ports a DMZ.
    4) FIOS is notoriously "hot". As you can see I have mine split 3 times in one place. My wiring has been around for over 10 years and handles it fine. You will most likely not need the amp.
     
  16. igrok

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    Rocko, great diagram!

    I just wanted to confirm that the tivos being fed from the nim100s, which get their ether pre-actiontec, are still being given DHCP from the actiontek so that their ether connection is fine. That is, I currently have mine set up as follows:

    ONT>coax to splitter

    >splitter-output-1>actiontek>ether to bridged router and switch>tivos and computers

    >splitter-output-2>splitter>coax to all tivos

    So all the tivos are getting coax essentially straight from the ONT, and getting ether and DHCP through the actiontec.

    Putting a NIM-100 before each tivo, I can just have the single coax coming in to the NIM-100, which then will feed separately a coax and ether to the tivo. But since the ether has not gone "through" the actiontec, do the tivos still get DHCP from the actiontec so as to be accessible to each other and my computers? I guess my question is whether the actiontec can see the tivos in this topology?
     
  17. rocko

    rocko Cuckoo for TiVo

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    The answer is yes. The coax doesn't go "through" the Actiontec but it is connected. This is effectively how mine is set up, lousy picture aside. Everything on the network, TiVos included, get their IP served up by the Actiontec. Note the connection type is COAX on one of the NIM connected TiVos - just like the Verizon STB.

    [​IMG]
     
  18. igrok

    igrok New Member

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    Excellent! I just bought a three-pack of NIM100s for $88 on ebay, and plan to put them in front of my tivos. Since one of them is using the wireless adapter, I can return that, and just cry over the time I spent running ether to my other units.

    I also wonder whether you've had any pixelation issues like some of us. With all the suggestions of attenuators, and diplexers or low pass filters (as suggested by verizon itself), I'm wondering whether this separation of the ether and coax by the NIM will fix the problem. In any event, passing the tv and ether by one cable will help me clean up some wiring. Do you find that the NIMs attenuate the signal at all?
     
  19. rocko

    rocko Cuckoo for TiVo

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    Not at all. The backward diplexer trick has helped with most of the uncorrected errors with my S3, however. BTW, good buy on the NIMs. I bribed my Verizon installer with beer and got 2 free
     
  20. mae

    mae member

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    Rocko,

    Thanks. That should make it easy. I'll just change the address on the Linksys to something higher and everything else should work.

    Some of my RG-59 is thirty years old, but was pretty high quality and physically seems fine, no cracking. It wouldn't be easy to replace, since I've finished off a lot of the access and I'm not as young as I was back then.:D

    Have a Merry Christmas.

    Mark
     

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