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Series 3 Verizon FIOS HD compat?

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by mchad, Sep 12, 2006.

  1. wmcbrine

    wmcbrine Ziphead

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    No, you will not lose anything. Yes, the TiVo will attempt to remap your season passes to the new channels. (But check them manually, because they could end up moved from HD to SD, for one thing.)
     
  2. Jasper

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    Sir Wells

    As far as the wireless internet stuff goes, I don't know, but I would suggest you check out dslreports forum, they are very knowledgeable about that type stuff there.

    http://www.dslreports.com/forum/vzfiber
     
  3. DeWitt

    DeWitt New Member

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    This is exactly how I have mine set up and it works great.
     
  4. wkearney99

    wkearney99 Bill Kearney

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    The simplest solution would be to just use their router for both. But you can use yours and disable just wifi on the verizon unit. However, you will probably need to reconfigure your router so that it behaves as an 'access point' instead of a full router. This way you won't have one router behind the other, which raises hassles for some things. Make sure your router can be configured as an access point (most can, but some cannot). What make/model is it?

    You can run a line from the fiber ONT to the verizon router using EITHER coax or CAT5. If you're using Verizon set top boxes, AT ALL, you'll need to have coax to the Verizon router.

    There are ways to avoid using the verizon router entirely but that's well beyond the scope of a Tivo forum. The suggestion to read dslreports.com is a good one, as they cover doing just that, and more.

    You may or may not need to replace the in-house wiring depending on what was used and what condition it's in. If it's marginal (or unknown) then the FIOS setup includes wiring install, have them put new stuff in place of (or alongside) what's there now.
     
  5. jay_man2

    jay_man2 jay_man-also

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    In my case, I have an Apple Time Capsule and wireless-N network. I don't want to use the Fios wireless G wifi and slow Time Machine backups to the Time Capsule to a crawl.

    It's encouraging to hear that it can be done, and I'll post my experience with the install later this week.
     
  6. SirWells

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    It seems it may be easier to just use my coax cabling and using the Actiontek router with my Dlink N router. If they can run a dedicated Cat5 line, I'd give that a shot. I'm never going to use Verizon set top boxes as I'll be using by Tivos.

    Glad to hear I won't lose all my shows and that the season passes will actually transfer. My Tivo continues to amaze me!

    Thank you for all your help everyone!
     
  7. g1230g

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    I have FIOS HD and of course the Motorola HD DVR is absolute junk (at $19.99 rental no less), along with the regular DVR. I want to ditch the Motorola junk and upgrade.

    I need a higher capacity hard drive and the Tivo series 3 seems to be popular around these parts.

    Any pro or con comments, or common complaints, on integrating the Tivo DVR's into the FIOS system, is appreciated, and Verizon said they will mail the cards out.

    Also, has anyone been able to use the DTV branded Hughes DVR's with Verizon cable cards?

    Thanks.
     
  8. wkearney99

    wkearney99 Bill Kearney

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    By DTV I'm guessing you mean DirecTV. Those units will not work with anything other than DirecTV service. Their card slot is not the same as a CableCard slot. Nothing can be done to make a DirecTV unit work with anything other than DirecTV.

    Yes, the FIOS motorola stuff is utter garbage.

    Read the thread here for various Tivo with FIOS observations, no point in everyone rehashing it when you can just go re-read it.

    As for the drive upgrades, there are likewise other threads here that cover it. I pulled the drive out of my TivoHD and replaced it with a 750GB unit, works great if a little louder than the factory drive. But, again, read the other threads on this.
     
  9. rocko

    rocko Cuckoo for TiVo

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    Many folks, myself included, use their wireless-N routers instead of the Actiontec. Like suggested you should turn off the firewall on your router and disable the DHCP server. One other tip is to connect your router using a LAN port instead of the WAN port.
     
  10. g1230g

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    Thanks for the response. I did re-read back to page 34, but was hoping for more current info. Either way, it does sound fairly straight forward with very few known issues with the series 3.
     
  11. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    One router behind another causes no hassles as long as you don't try to use the same IP address range. I've been using 221.214.xx for 10 years as an IP address range for my own network. Nothing is going to conflict with that so it doesn't cause any problems. I have 40 devices on my network with no problems by having my Dlink DGL4500 connected to a DMZ port on the Actiontec.

    Also even if you do use the Actionec with your own router behind it, still try to get an Ethernet connection from the ONT to the Actiontec. That way, if there are ever any problems with the Actiontec, you can still put your own router in there and be up and running instead of waiting for them to send a replacement. But for me my Actiontec has been fine for the 16 months I've had FIOS.
     
  12. SirWells

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    I read some posts on DSL Reports and some on here about the configuration you'd have to do on the Actiontek router in order to use your own router in conjunction with it. Some seem more detailed than others, what is it that a really need to do? Just turn off the wireless on the Actiontek? Do I need to do anything on my own DLink router? I just want wireless N...
     
  13. teasip

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    Cat5 from ONT to Airport Extreme. Cable from LAN on APE to LAN on AT. In other words, I've got my N router in front of the AT which I use for TV only. Turn off obtain IP on the AT as well as the wireless and you're good to go. Takes less than 3 minutes.
     
  14. wkearney99

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    My comment was directed toward the hassles of being behind a dual set of NAT addresses. It's a hassle that's easily avoided by using your router as an access point. If you use double NAT networks then you end up with some firewall and port forwarding hassles. Those can be 'worked around' but why bother? There's more to the hassles but that's a discussion best left to other web forums like dslreports.

    Why are you bothering with a public address range that's already allocated to APNIC? Why not just use one of the established private network numbering ranges? 192.168.x.x, 10.x.x.x and 172.16-31.x.x are specifically set aside for use as private networks. Using one of those ranges seems like it'd make a lot more sense.

    I believe it's one or the other, coax MOCA or cat5 ethernet, for an active connection. You don't really ever 'have to' use coax from the ONT. The only time you need coax is if you're going to use Verizon set top boxes. Even then you can still add the set top boxes later and still stay with CAT5 to the ONT. You'd just have to use the Actiontec (or some NIM100 units) to bridge the traffic from coax back to cat5.
     
  15. wkearney99

    wkearney99 Bill Kearney

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    You can reconfigure the actiontec to act as a bridge. And then use your own router for handling all IP traffic. As for your D-link, which model is it? If it can be configured to behave as just an access point then you'd probably want to use that. That way all it does it provide a wireless connection to the actiontec network. It that works, and fulfills your needs then you're all set. But there are some situations where custom firewall settings might be needed. If you're only doing simple browsing, gaming and the like then you'd be fine with the d-link as an access point. But if you've got that thing configured for VPN, port forwarding to servers and that sort of stuff then perhaps not.

    During the initial setup phase you may want to stick with just the verizon gear. Once that's proven to work then integrate the d-link. That way if you have to deal with verizon support you'll have a basic setup they know how to deal with. Start adding other stuff and the support people won't be of any help (as if they were anyway). Get it working first.
     
  16. wkearney99

    wkearney99 Bill Kearney

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    The thing you have to be careful about is dealing with bandwidth for the set top boxes. The actiontec, apparently, does a better job of managing bandwidth so the set top boxes get enough bandwidth for VoD and other IP services. When you use your own router FIRST you may run into some problems with that. Just keep that in mind. Some consumer-grade routers are not capable of keeping up with some of the faster speeds. But at the same time the actiontec sucks at handling a lot of simultaneous sessions.
     
  17. SirWells

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    I have the D-Link DIR-655 Extreme N Wireless Router. I'd like everything to run from the D-Link, as it would be as close to my current setup. I use a cable modem from Time Warner Cable that goes directly into my D-Link router. I guess running the coax to the Actiontek and then running my D-Link would be pretty similar to the setup I have now. The Actiontek would take the place of the cable modem and my D-Link would handle everything else.

    So what would I need to do to make sure the D-Link does everything and the Actiontek serves only to take the coax signal to my D-Link?
     
  18. richsadams

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    I'm glad this came up...and I guess I'm with SirWells post above. Only knowing enough to be dangerous, I'm going to ask a dumb question before we jump to FIOS.

    IIRC there are a number of folks here using their own routers. I have a D-Link DIR-655 Xtreme N router with three D-Link DGS-2205 gigbit switches behind it and couldn't be happier with everything. Everything I have uses Ethernet with the exception of one laptop we like to carry around the house and my cell phone while I'm home so using 802.11n with it's strong signal strength is desirable.

    So my question is: is there an advantage to using VZ's Actiontec router over your own (or is it necessary in the FIOS setup - sounds like it is)? TIA!
     
  19. webin

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    If you are keeping any verizon set top boxes, the actiontec is supposedly needed for VOD, the STB's on-screen guide, and the silly widgets they offer. If you are using only tivo's, any router will do ya.
     
  20. justlen

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    Out here in Seattle I made the switch from Comcast to FIOS a few months ago:

    -I had the tech connect the Westell to the ONT via Ethernet.
    -CableCard setup went flawless.
    -Re-ran Guided Setup and all my Season Passes reconfigured

    After the Tech left I disconnected the Westell and connected my Airport Extreme. It wouldn't connect until I called tech support and had them release the Westell MAC address from the DHCP pool. Then the Airport connected and worked.

    After a bit of time I ran some speed tests and realized I wasn't getting the speeds I had signed up for. I swapped the routers, did the whole DHCP thing with Tech support and BAM I was flying.

    So there is something to be said for the Westell.
     

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