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Series 3 Verizon FIOS HD compat?

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by mchad, Sep 12, 2006.

  1. Jul 7, 2008 #981 of 2214
    TheBar1

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    I switched from DirecTV to FiOS last year, and there is a very obvious improvement on the SD channels I'm now getting with FiOS. I never had HD with DirecTV, so I can't offer an opinion there.
     
  2. Jul 10, 2008 #982 of 2214
    thegeek

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    I too have been remarkably impressed in the difference between FiOS SD and DirecTV. With DirecTV I had forgotten how good even SD can look.

    To the best of my knowledge, HD and everything else on FiOS goes out untouched from the video provider. No recompression or tinkering of that sort. Just google for "HD lite" and DirecTV to get your answer on what DirecTV does with their HD feeds.
     
  3. Jul 10, 2008 #983 of 2214
    webin

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    You are correct that Verizon doesn't recompress the video like Comcast and DirectTV do (and probably others). The reason is that there's no need. The delivery technology Verizon is using (fiber optic to the home) means they have a MASSIVE capacity compared to other content providers. Comcast and DirecTV use a soda straw, and Verizon has a fire hose (or maybe a couple fire hoses).
     
  4. Jul 11, 2008 #984 of 2214
    riffjim4069

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    I ordered a $179 refurished TiVO HD from yesterday. I decided that I could no longer live with the FiOS HD DVR...especially since Verizon cannot tell me when, or if, eSATA will ever be enabled, and I have a WD My DVR that is currently not being used. Earlier that day, I called Verizon's Fiber Solutions Center and they told me a couple things: the M-Card will only be available in the new receivers (FCC's requirement for separable security), and I would have to schedule an appointment for installation since they don't permit self-install. Ugh!...continue to get a different story each time I call. Anyway, I elected to order a free digital set-top-box (due to the upcoming analog to all digital conversion), and take care of the Cablecard issue another day.

    This morning I decided to order Cablecards and was told that a Verizon Tech could install the cards at $74.99, or they could mail the cards, install it myself, and save the installation fee, plus taxes, fees, etc. Needless to say, I opted to install it install it myself and save $80 for ten minutes of work. As it turns out, I cannot order Cablecards until my previous order (free digital STB) is completed (received, activated, plus one business day for processing). I love the FiOS broadband and TV, but their billing and ordering systems is terrible.

    Oh well, at least their CSRs are always friendly and speak english!
     
  5. Jul 16, 2008 #985 of 2214
    crapmaster

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    The FiosTV is being rolled out in the Seattle area where I leave and I'm thinking to jump into wagon. I currently have the Fios internet service, connected via coax from ONT to the Actiontec router. A couple of questions (I apologize if this has been addressed already, I spent 10-15 minutes searching around the forums and did not find the answer).

    1) Does the Actiontec router support NAT forwarding, meaning can I hook up my own router to one of the ports to add ports ? The Actiontec is in the upstairs closet where the communications panel is, and I need ethernet hook-ups for Tivo S3 and PS3 in the downstairs living room, and have only single ethernet port there.

    2) Even more basic question, if Verizon provides multicast cable cards in the future, will that mean that the TiVo S3 will have 4 tuners, if populated with 2 cards ? I suspect no, that you can only use a single card, but would like to get a confirmation.

    Thanks in advance.
     
  6. Jul 16, 2008 #986 of 2214
    wmcbrine

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    1. Yes, but that's not what you want to do. What you want is a network switch, not a second router. (Or a hub, but hubs have been largely phased out since switches are so cheap now.)

    2. There are only two tuners usable at a time, regardless of card type. ISTR that multistream CableCards actually support up to six simultaneous streams, but the TiVo can only use two of them.

    Also, the S3 (as opposed to the THD) doesn't, as yet, support the multistream feature -- multistream cards operate in single-stream mode. And it's rumored that this may never be fixed. :(
     
  7. Jul 16, 2008 #987 of 2214
    crapmaster

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    Thanks for the quick response wmcbrine. Can you please elaborate your first anwser, I thought all routers have a built-in switch ? I would not use the wireless portion of the box (and would disable that, if there is an option to do that), I just need more 100MB ethernet ports.
     
  8. Jul 17, 2008 #988 of 2214
    webin

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    If you already have the second router, yes, you could hook it up. Some people put their own router behind the actiontec so that verizon can ping the verizon router and install their firmware updates (through the unclosable back door open port), and then use their own more secure router to feed their LAN. What wmcbrine was referring to was a dedicated switch such as http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Sate...nksys/Common/VisitorWrapper&lid=4856933028B08 that would happily direct traffic on your network without trying to be the traffic cop.
     
  9. Jul 17, 2008 #989 of 2214
    wmcbrine

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    They do, but that's the only part you need, so you're wasting your money and making your setup unnecessarily complicated by buying and installing a full router when only a switch is required.

    webin, your link points to a router. Here are some plain switches:

    http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=3697306&type=product&id=1051384141038
    http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7169244&type=product&id=1110266457435
    http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7650357&type=product&id=1134699430298

    Apart from the price, the advantage of these is that you just plug them in and go. There is no setup. You take your one port, connect it to the "uplink" port on the switch (if it has one -- modern switches tend to be autosensing), and hook up your various devices to the other ports on the switch. That's it; you're done.
     
  10. Jul 17, 2008 #990 of 2214
    webin

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    That's what I get for posting instead of sleeping.
     
  11. Jul 17, 2008 #991 of 2214
    crapmaster

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    Thanks guys, I got it. The reason I was looking to use a wireless router is that I have one of those lying around, I'm not looking to buy anything new. So your reasoning makes perfect sense, I will give it a try with my existing router. Thanks again, case closed I hope.
     
  12. Jul 19, 2008 #992 of 2214
    crapmaster

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    Allrights, I hooked my Netgear WGT624v3 router into the port 1 of the Actiontec. While I get an IP address on the PC connected to Netgear, I don't have internet connection on that PC. I'm guessing the problem is the firewall on the Actiontec. When browsing to the Actiontec configuration page, I see the Netgear as IP 192.168.1.2 connected to Actiontec. I tried to muck around with the firewall settings (I tried port forwarding with all ports open, I tried making static NAT for 192.168.1.2, and I tried making Netgear as DMZ, but nothing seems to work. I cannot (apparently) completely disable the firewall on the Actiontec, but I did that on the Netgear to remove that from the equation.

    I need some help, any tips or links to other forums would be greatly appreciated to resolve this.
     
  13. Jul 19, 2008 #993 of 2214
    wmcbrine

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    My tip is to use a switch. If there's a way to set the Netgear to operate as a simple switch, use that. Otherwise, you're just causing yourself unnecessary grief.

    Still, it should work (after a fashion) if you just plug in the WAN port on the Netgear to a regular port on the Actiontec. You don't have the Netgear set up for PPPoE, do you? It needs to be set for DHCP. And no, you shouldn't have to mess with firewalls and DMZs.
     
  14. Jul 19, 2008 #994 of 2214
    aaronwt

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    Once you setup a DMZ, the Actiontec shouldn't be a factor. I have mine set this way, and the firewall on the Actiontec set on the lowest setting. My Actiontec does nothing when you check the log except renew it's IP address every two hours. My Dlink router plugged in to one of the Actiontec ports that is on a DMZ is the device that blocks things with the firewall and hands out IP addresses using DHCP.

    I find this setup easiest, since the Actiontec is still conneted to the ONT, that way, if Verizon needs to do anything remotely, I don't have to change things around. With my Dlink being on a DMZ, everything is just as fast as if I had the Dlink connected directly to my ONT.
     
  15. Jul 19, 2008 #995 of 2214
    rocko

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    Did you disable the DHCP server on the Netgear? If the attached device thinks the Netgear is the gateway it's going to be disappointed.

    The Actiontec should still be the boss - that's how I have it set up on my network anyway.
     
  16. Jul 19, 2008 #996 of 2214
    crapmaster

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    Thanks guys, I got it working. The key indeed was to disable the DHCP on Netgear, and also not to use the WAN port of the Netgear, but any of the LAN ports. So the set-up works now as expected. Thanks again all.
     
  17. Jul 21, 2008 #997 of 2214
    dbphotos

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    I've read through a lot of these posts and am thinking it's tme for me to switch from DTV to FIOS and the new Series 3 HD TIVO with M-Card. I'm in North Texas. Does anyone know of any continuing issues with FIOS an TIVO?

    I'm a hug TIVO fan and can't stand the DTV HD DVR. I have TIVO on 2 non-HD t.v.'s in my house and just think they do a far superior job of what they are designed to do and they allo me to listen and watch podcasts.

    Anything I should be aware of or concerned with if I switch to FIOS/TIVO setup?

    Thanks!
     
  18. Jul 21, 2008 #998 of 2214
    webin

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    Good choice. The only thing I notice from your comments... Verizon doesn't offer M-Cards. You can only get 2 S-Cards, which will cost you $7.98 a month.
     
  19. Jul 22, 2008 #999 of 2214
    FiosUser

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    I have FIOS and a Tivo S3. The problem you will have is pixelation. You have to keep updating your connections every few months or so with attenuation, etc.

    I got my pixelation fixed, but after a handful of months the pixelation returned. It has been a few weeks since it returned and I'm still going through combinations of different amounts of attenuation (a few weeks because it is hard to find time in between recordings to reboot the Tivo--since the Tivo reboot takes so dang long).
     
  20. dalesd

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    I'm a recent FiOS TV customer (just a few months now) and I haven't had a single problem with pixelation. My installer included an attenuator on the cable that goes into the TiVo.

    I had an initial problem with getting the S-cards activated. The install was Friday of Memorial Day Weekend. They still weren't working right Sunday morning, and I had a tech there Sunday morning of Memorial Day weekend. (He got them working.)
     

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