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Series 3 Verizon FIOS HD compat?

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by mchad, Sep 12, 2006.

  1. May 8, 2008 #901 of 2214
    BruceShultes

    BruceShultes New Member

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    I used another method so I did not need to change my Static IP addresses.

    After the Verizon router was installed and we checked that the connection worked using a direct Ethernet cable connection to one of my PC's, I connected my original router running an ethernet cable from one of the output ports on the Verizon router to the input port on my router.

    After doing this, everything that I originally had set up for a wireless connection worked fine without any changes to the settings.
     
  2. May 8, 2008 #902 of 2214
    JacksTiVo

    JacksTiVo TiVo User since 2001

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    Thanks for the useful information about using my old router. I have one of those OLPC XO laptops and it is having difficulty with the security settings on the Verizon router. I am also having problems with my S1 with the turbonet card accessing the Internet either via ethernet or a wireless bridge. Does anyone know how to delete static IP addresses for devices stored in the Verizon router database?

    BTW, the wireless performance of the Verizon router is excellent. The signal strength from my old Belkin router to the S3 was generally in the 40-50% range. Now with the Verizon router it is in the high 70-80% range.
     
  3. May 23, 2008 #903 of 2214
    dalesd

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    I had my Fios install today. Two motorola S-cards in my THD.

    Things seemed to go well. The installer checked a couple of channels, low numbers and high numbers, and things looked good.

    Later, however, some channels were working, and others weren't. It took me quite a while to figure out that one of my cable cards was Not Authorized.

    I followed the steps in bkdtv's instructions, and clearly Cable Card 1 is Not Authorized.

    So I know the rule is, do one card at a time, and do slot 1 before slot 2. Does this still apply if I need to reauthorize the card? I ask because I just got off the phone with Fiber Solutions and they couldn't get that card to "initialize".

    They've promised me that they'll get it resolved in 72 hours. (quite a promise, considering it's Friday night on Memorial Day Weekend.)

    So the THD has a card that doesn't work, but it doesn't seem to know that it doesn't work. It will try to record stuff on the bad tuner. Is there a workaround for that? I suppose I could pull the CableCard, but I think Verizon will need it installed to get it working. (right?)


    Anyway, the rest of the install was pretty easy. I already had Fiber to the house, the ONT, and all that stuff; they were just adding TV (it was just approved by my town).

    My ONT was already provisioned to use Ethernet to my Linksys router. (Not MoCA to the Verizon Actiontec router.) They left that alone and just ran the coax from the ONT direct to the TiVoHD.

    I am glad they didn't put the Actiontec back in the loop. First, as a NAT router, its major flaw is that it can't handle lots of connections (i.e. BT). Second, I don't like having something with a backdoor in it on my network.

    Here's a "before" picture: (I don't have an "after" yet.)
    Flickr picture
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  4. May 24, 2008 #904 of 2214
    Joe Q

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    My setup is like yours in that I have I have a lot of stuff to connect together.


    I have the 15 Mbit Verizon Internet speed and no complaints there.

    I had to add a network switch to one of the 4 ports on the Actiontec so I could have a wired connection for these devices on the network:
    5 PC's,XBOX 360/Hdhomerun/Vonage/AV Receiver/HTPC/DVD player and other stuff I am sure I have forgotten.


    So when you say bandwidth problems with the Actiontec, are you referring to it's 100 mbit wired connections or it's internet connections?

    I ask because I need to be sure that I am getting the most out of my 100 mbit network.
    For instance, Sometimes, my Xbox as a Media Extender will say "Network Problem" when the picture gets all pixelated.

    Also,I have the Homerun on one PC writing it's data to the media Center PC's RAID. The Media Center 'sometimes' has trouble recording 4 things all at once(2 Cable card tuners/Homerun)
    Notice the 'sometimes' - your post makes me wonder if the Actiontec is a bottleneck
     
  5. May 27, 2008 #905 of 2214
    dalesd

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    Regarding the Backdoor on the Actiontec router, Port 4567 is wide open.
    More info here: http://www.compu-help.us/205.htm
    and a possible fix here: http://www.fiosfaq.com/content.php?contentid=79

    BTW, my installation (Verizon Premiere (TV), 20/5 internet, phone) doesn't use the Actiontec router at all. The installer ran a new RG6 cable from the ONT directly to the TiVo. No splitter, no router.
     
  6. May 27, 2008 #906 of 2214
    Joe Q

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    Interesting.

    Where does the split occur to go to a router?

    I ask that because you said that you had Internet service as well as phone,which I asume is an IP based phone like Vonage or AT&T.

    Therefore, You need something,like a router, that acts as a DHCP server to dole out the IP addresses as well as having several ports on it.
    That would allow you to connect a PC(s) to the 'router' and the Vonage/AT&T phone adaptor


    Unless I am missing something here?

    Does the TIVO have a built in router that allows all this to happen?

    Sorry for all the questions but I am battling problems due to low signal strength thanks to all the splitters needed to connect all this gear and it seems as though you may have an approach I should look into

    Thanks
     
  7. May 27, 2008 #907 of 2214
    willettg

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    The coax carries the broadcast video directly to the Tivo. The Tivo still needs an ethernet connection to get TV guide info and software updates.
     
  8. May 27, 2008 #908 of 2214
    dalesd

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  9. May 27, 2008 #909 of 2214
    acvthree

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    You only need the ActionTec if you are doing VOD or PPV. Since the Tivo doesn't do that, it is not needed.

    Did they put an attenuator on the cable feed? I would have guessed that it would be too hot for the Tivo without a splitter in there somewhere.

    Al
     
  10. May 27, 2008 #910 of 2214
    dalesd

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    That's what I told the installer. Well, that's what he told me when I explained how I wanted things hooked up. "But you need that to get guide data and VOD." I explained that was fine with me, because TiVo has its own guide data and doesn't do VOD. He was kinda new, but when the "TiVo expert" installer showed up, he went along with it.
    There isn't one on the ONT. I haven't checked the back of the TiVo. Lemme go look now...
    Yes, 8db.
     
  11. May 27, 2008 #911 of 2214
    acvthree

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    Sounds like a good install and setup. Enjoy!

    Al
     
  12. May 28, 2008 #912 of 2214
    webin

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    You know, that's a good point. I started with a Fios STB, so I needed the ActionTec, but always had the desire to put my linksys router back into the network, probably as a sub router running to my computers. I never got around to it because the ActionTec doesn't seem like too bad a piece of hardware (albiet, one Verizon can access remotely). Now that I'm using TivoHD, I may just take it out and use just my trusty old linksys.
     
  13. May 28, 2008 #913 of 2214
    dalesd

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    I ran in to difficulty with this at first. When you swap your router for the Actiontec you'll need to do one of the following:
    (A) call Verizon Fiber Solutions and ask them to break the lease of your IP address,
    (B) clone the WAN MAC address of the Actiontec to your Linksys,
    (C) release the WAN IP address from the Actiontec (through the web interface, then immediately disconnect it from the ONT)
    (D) wait about an hour (with no router plugged in to the ONT).

    Long story short, I can confirm that A, B, and C work. Guy on the phone at Fiber Solutions said that D works, but I haven't tested it.
     
  14. May 28, 2008 #914 of 2214
    acvthree

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    The Verizon STB still works. You just can't do VOD or PPV.

    Several months ago my ActionTec router died on a Friday afternoon.

    I unplugged the ActionTec. Installed a NetGear router I was not using. Called Verizon and had them break the link. Everything works great.

    Eventually I'll get the ActionTec repaired/replaced, but I think I'll leave the my own router as the primary. At least I can replace it quickly if it breaks.

    Al
     
  15. May 28, 2008 #915 of 2214
    Scyber

    Scyber Former ReplayTV User

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    You should only need to do C. That is how I did it before (no call, no mac clone). A call shouldn't be necessary unless you can't get to the web interface on the actiontec. Of course it probably doesn't hurt to get someone from Verizon on the phone just in case it doesn't work right. :)
     
  16. May 28, 2008 #916 of 2214
    richsadams

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    Nice job highlighting each item on your picture. :up: Nice setup as well.
     
  17. May 29, 2008 #917 of 2214
    Joe Q

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    My equipment does not look anything like yours.

    I have enclosed a picture of the ONT which is mounted outside

    The Battery backup that the coax from the ONT goes to is the next picture along with a small powerd device next to it that I am not totally sure what it does.
    I am guessing that it is the trickle charger for the battery

    Those 2 devices are in the basement and the coax cable is split there,in the basement.
    One coax run goes to my Actiontec router and the other coax goes to my DVR. All of which are upstairs.

    The third picture is the amplifier that I put on a 3 foot long coax cable that comes out of the battery backup.
    It is BEFORE the 2 way splitter and I needed that because I have too many splitters upstairs for all the stuff hooked to the cable

    Please ignore the romex cable. To try and eliminate the pixelation/"No TV signal message" propblems I have been fighting, I did so much experimenting with various spliiters and brands of amplifiers that it is merely 'stuffed' into the area where it would fit.


    There are NO ethernet ports/jacks on anything except the Actiontec router which is where I plug in my PC's and my ethernet switch (for expansion)


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    Any ideas?

    Thanks
     
  18. May 29, 2008 #918 of 2214
    Scyber

    Scyber Former ReplayTV User

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    Actually, if you open up the ONT, you should see an ethernet port there. With newer installs, Verizon is using COAX for both the TV and the ethernet connection to the Actiontec router. This works fine, but it prevents you from using a 3rd party router. They will (on request) run ethernet to the actiontec, but it will cost you a truck roll post install. Most likely you can't run the ethernet yourself b/c the port is disabled in the ONT.
     
  19. May 29, 2008 #919 of 2214
    Joe Q

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    Great info!!

    It can not hurt to open the thing up and try it out.

    Even though it is outside, I should be able to see if it works by connecting up one of my spare routers and then hook my laptop to it.
    I will post back my results later this evening

    Thanks
     
  20. May 29, 2008 #920 of 2214
    acvthree

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    A number of people have run the Ethernet themselves and then just called Verizon to have them enable the Ethernet remotely. Mainly, Verizon just doesn't want to spend the extra time running the Ethernet. Most people don't care (or know) one way or the other.

    Al
     

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