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Series 3 Verizon FIOS HD compat?

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by mchad, Sep 12, 2006.

  1. Sep 22, 2006 #61 of 2214
    terramar

    terramar New Member

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    No guide-related problems, and no troubles scheduling recordings.

    I haven't really compared the PQ with the verizon box. I switched to fios tv simultaneously with getting the S3s. I had them put in a box, but quite honestly, except for a few minutes of playing around with the VOD features, I haven't used it. Once my full new home theater setup is done (still working on the component video matrix switching for the other TVs in the house), I'll show the VOD stuff to my wife. If she can live without it (and I'm certain she can - we never do PPV even, since we always have plenty to watch on the Tivos), we'll send the box back.

    Tom
     
  2. Sep 22, 2006 #62 of 2214
    musicforme

    musicforme It's a Dry Heat

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    Well, I thought all was going well earlier this afternoon. I actually got a phone call from someone at Verizon reading this message thread. He wanted to make sure all was going well with the install and walked the tech through the process.

    I thought it was all going ok and let the Verizon tech go before the guided setup finished. It completed earlier and the Tivo said it wasn't able to get the channels from the CableCard.

    Once my wife finishes watching ER, I'm going to call Verizon and start the troubleshooting process with them.
     
  3. Sep 22, 2006 #63 of 2214
    legalaliens

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    Picture seems clearer? I know it is difficult without doing a side by side comparison, but can you really see an improvement in PQ (both HD and SD)?

    I really like FiOS TV. The HD is great and the price is right. I have been disappointed in the SD PQ. I had hoped the Motorola STB's were the problem because I've always intended to upgrade to the S3 anyway.
     
  4. Sep 22, 2006 #64 of 2214
    musicforme

    musicforme It's a Dry Heat

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    I'm up and running now. Just to be sure I didn't have a bad CableCard, we put one of them in my tv to make sure it worked.

    He remarried them to my Tivo and went through the guided setup and it started working. As a side note, the "test channels" part of the CableCard menu never worked for me.

    One of the best parts of the call is when the tech asked for the number I was calling from in case we got disconnected.
     
  5. Sep 23, 2006 #65 of 2214
    mlkeller

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    Yeah, went a little rough here in Northern VA, but it's almost working now. When tech first came, he said they did an install in a S3 yesterday and the cable cards did not work, plus they only had one the warehouse (despite the fact that we put the order in for 2 cards a week and a half ago), so they could only setup one today. Also was not willing to put it into the S3, just was going to activate the card and leave it for us (ended up having to stay for us to plug in since needed number from card to activate). Despite that, still was not working when he left (same error about not able to retrieve channels).

    A few more calls to Vz tech support and we finally were put in touch with the person who "is working on creating the procedures for cable cards since we are just starting to get more orders for them" and it turned out they entered something wrong earlier during the activation. He keyed something and presto, it worked.

    A bit miffed about only having one card, but we'll fix that when cust support opens Monday... they need to get their act together b/c I'm sure more cablecard orders are coming (the S3 is _SO_ much better than their buggy DVR)
     
  6. Sep 23, 2006 #66 of 2214
    Ken7

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    I just installed a Series 3 with FIOS. One thing that I've noticed around the internet is that many people wind up comparing the PQ of the Series 3 via HDMI to their old PVR that used component. I don't believe this is a fair comparison. My old Motorola FIOS box was hooked up via HDMI and that's the way I've got the Series 3 connected.

    I don't yet have the cable cards installed, but I did scan for OTA HD channels and compared the picture on those to the FIOS HD Broadcast channels on the Motorola box. The pictures were essentially identical. This shows the improvement in PQ of the new Series 3 vs what I used to get with D*'s HD Tivo. Using D*'s Tivo via OTA HD, I found the PQ was never the match for non-Tivo HD D* receivers. The other thing it shows is just how good the PQ (via HDMI) of the Motorola box combined with FIOS's transmission of network HD channels is.

    The only negative thus far is the somewhat longer channel changes vs. the Motorola DVR. Hopefully the cable card install will go smoothly.
     
  7. Sep 23, 2006 #67 of 2214
    TexasAg

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    I had the Motorola hooked up via HDMI, and I can say that Fios SD is much better on the S3 than on the Motorola. I really wouldn't expect HD to be any different. And I haven't noticed a slower channel change. If anything it is slightly faster.

    Been running with 2 CableCARDs since yesterday. Absolutely no problems, just great picture!
     
  8. Sep 25, 2006 #68 of 2214
    legalaliens

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    Thanks! That is what I was hoping to hear. SD on the Motorola (at least on my setup) is not very good.
     
  9. Sep 25, 2006 #69 of 2214
    Ken7

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    Please remember when comparing SD on any box, the important question is how do you have the signal output from the box? As an example, I always set my HD boxes to ouput 1080i all the time, regardless of the channel's resolution. In a case like that, you won't see much if any difference in picture quality between units.
     
  10. Sep 26, 2006 #70 of 2214
    joegarrett

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    A quick update!

    Verizon dropped off a Moto 4.21 CC on Sunday. I got around to installing and activating last night. Spent about 15-20 minutes on phone with tech. He got the CC authorized and now I'm receiving all subscribed channels on my JVC 52G886.
    I also have a Moto DVR connected via HDMI. Having been a DTiVo user until Jan 2006, there are a few things I miss about TiVo but I've become use to the Moto DVR and the price of the S3 + monthly fee + programming fee really don't make sense to me at this point. IMHO :D

    The Verizon tech did ask me if I was putting the CC in an S3, but wished that TiVo had sent out tester units so the cable companies could have some training with them before rollout. Sounds like Verizon is becoming familiar with the S3 and CC's.
     
  11. Sep 26, 2006 #71 of 2214
    Ken7

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    Joe, don't you find it a pain not knowing what channel you're on and not having the program info? I know what you mean about the total cost of the S3 and carrying fees. It doesn't make sense that it actually costs more on a monthly basis even after you buy the thing!

    On another note, I'll be carefully watching this S3 audio dropout issue. I'm still only using it for OTA HD until the CCs come. If it continues I may well return the unit and stay with the Motorola. I should be getting my CC on Monday. It's funny how FIOS has been very quick to come to my house on virtually anything, but with the CC appointment it was a week later. I guess they're not too anxious to give these things out.

    Interestingly they originally told me I could have only 1 CC since I already have 6 boxes (4 HD and 2 SD). They told me I was maxed out. I then told them to remove 1 Motorola PVR and that cleared up the issue. I was really hoping to keep the Motorola for a month or so to see if the S3 measured up and if not, just plug the Motorola back in. No such luck.
     
  12. Sep 26, 2006 #72 of 2214
    joegarrett

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    Do you mean no guide on the TV? Not really, the only time we flip over to the TV is if we have 2 recordings going and want to watch something live. It's there more for the exception than the rule. :up:
     
  13. Sep 27, 2006 #73 of 2214
    Beetlejuice

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    I just ordered the S3 tivo and set up service with Verizon. Prices were in line with what I've read on this page... to the penny. I was amazed however, that the woman who took the call still had not been informed by her Verizon management that there was a new Tivo in town. I had to explain to her about the dual cable card setup but she was familiar with cable card ready TVs and such. So, at least that didn't phase her.

    I was also amazed that she really didn't care what I was plugging them into and when I asked about plugging them in the Tvio and what number should I call to activate them, she said they would already be activated and I would not have to do anything. We'll see!!

    But I'm glad all you folks here in this room have been the brave souls to go out on this leap of faith so skeptics like me can learn from from your experiences.

    I'll post the results when they happen.
     
  14. Sep 27, 2006 #74 of 2214
    TexasAg

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    She's wrong - Verizon will need to know the pairing (the cablecard serial number and the corresponding number from the Tivo) for each card before you can get service.
     
  15. Sep 27, 2006 #75 of 2214
    Beetlejuice

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    That's what I'm figuring too. It didn't sound right but I learned a long time ago to not argue with a wall. The wall will win every time. ;-)

    I'll be here when the tech does the install.

    If it sounds too good to be true....
     
  16. Sep 27, 2006 #76 of 2214
    terramar

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    I don't know - maybe I was just being dense, but the installer who came to my house sat there with his laptop and only entered in info from the cable cards - he didn't take down any of the numbers from my S3 screen to activate the card. I could have missed him doing it, but given that he seemed somewhat afraid of the TiVo, I think I would have noticed him staring at the screen and writing stuff down.
     
  17. Sep 27, 2006 #77 of 2214
    TexasAg

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    Maybe Verizon is doing something weird, but CableCARDs normally don't work unless the cable system can match each card's serial number with the number provided by the Tivo or other device. I know my installer did write down the numbers and entered them into Verizon's system.
     
  18. Sep 29, 2006 #78 of 2214
    wbradney

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    They're going door-to-door in Morris Plains signing people up for FIOS. I asked when TV was going to be available and the guy said "early November".

    I just got through with my Cablevision CableCard install today, and it's working great, but I'd love to switch to FIOS Internet & TV. By my reckoning my monthly bill will drop from about $140 to about $80, for a faster connection that's still S3-compatible. Hell, I might even switch from Lingo to Verizon for my VOIP if I can save a bit more and get billed all at once. And then there's always the feeling of sticking it to the cable company (although I'm sure Verizon's customer support will become just as crappy once they gain some traction in TV).
     
  19. Oct 1, 2006 #79 of 2214
    PatMcNJ

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    "I have been hoping FIOS internet would be ready in my neighborhood (New Jersey) since I signed the papers to build my new house. It's been over a year now and I don't see it as being even in the planning stages. :-(
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    It depends upon where you are in NJ. I am in Monmouth County, we were wired up over the summer by Verizon (my development aleady had all utilites underground). Trucks were here for several weeks...... We have been told we will be among the earliest to be switched on, November perhaps. I sure HOPE so.

    Then I want to get my Series 3, and switch to FIOS.
     
  20. Oct 1, 2006 #80 of 2214
    musicforme

    musicforme It's a Dry Heat

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    Have any of you had problems with your standard def channels being garbage? We tried to watch "PGA Sunday" on the USA channel this morning and it was crap. It looked like a bad satellite feed or something. A couple episodes of "A Baby Story" that my wife watches had the same problem.

    We never had a problem with any of those shows on Comcast, and she's starting to elude to wanting to switch back to Comcast.
     

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