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Series 3 Verizon FIOS HD compat?

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by mchad, Sep 12, 2006.

  1. Oct 7, 2007 #521 of 2214
    gages97

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    Raphael,

    Currently there is ethernet, phone, and the ups cabels coming from the ONT. I don't need anything else coming from the outside for TV?

    DirecTV uses a multiswitch which is not a simple spliier/amplifier, sounds like FIOS needs a simple cable distribution spliter.

    You sure about #3?


    Steve
     
  2. Oct 7, 2007 #522 of 2214
    mamosley

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    2 Cable cards, one coax cable. If you have the actiontec router and only a coax cable for your internet currently if you get fios tv to replace direct tv the same coax gets connected to the splitter that feeds all the rooms. In most instances the satellite distribution block get replaced with a splitter.
     
  3. Oct 7, 2007 #523 of 2214
    gages97

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    Right now I have Cat5 from the ONT into the ActionTec router. Sounds like I will need to run a single coax from the ONT to the inside of the house.

    In this case, does the Coax replace the Cat5?
     
  4. Oct 7, 2007 #524 of 2214
    acvthree

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    No. The coax does not replace the Cat5. It could be done that way, but you should tell the installer not to do that.

    You will have two cables from the ONT, one Ethernet and one CoAx.

    The Coax is then split to go to the various TVs, HDTivos and one connection back to the Actiontec.

    The actiontec will send a message back to the headend over the Ethernet for VOD requests.

    Al
     
  5. Oct 7, 2007 #525 of 2214
    gages97

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    Got it.

    So Coax from ONT to a splitter in the house with a connection to ActionTec coax port and then the Tivo's with the cablecards?

    What programming has to happen on the AxtionTec?

    Currently I have 2 x coax from my wiring panels to each room. Does each cablecard take a separate coax feed?
     
  6. Oct 8, 2007 #526 of 2214
    mamosley

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    It depends on the ont. Newer ont's are configured and provisioned for moca. which means your internet and tv signal are running over the coax to the ont. Yes you can request the ethernet port be turned on for data but then you have to convince the field tech to run the cat 5 for you and if its not on the order he has every right to say no. Then you have to speak with billing and ask for a data jack install which there is a charge for and at that point they will make the ethernet port active. Besides, coax has more bandwidth than ethernet and me personally I would rather deal with one less wire and like to have the ability to simply move the router from coax outlet to another when I re-arrange furniture.
     
  7. Oct 8, 2007 #527 of 2214
    mamosley

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    Fios doesnt use rf return like cable companies do. The stb's send the request over ip traffic thru the coax. You dont have to 'program' the Actiontec. It is good to go out of the box. Your tivo with two cable cards needs only one coax cable. period.
     
  8. Oct 8, 2007 #528 of 2214
    DCIFRTHS

    DCIFRTHS I dumped SDV / cable

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    This is how my friend's install was done (private house). I wonder how they will be doing the install in my co-op? Currently they are discussing molding for the install...

    If they put an ONT, that handles more than one "household", in the hallway, next to the cable boxes, they could install power outlets, run coax to each apt, and we would get internet and TV via coax. Phone would remain on the already installed POTS lines.

    The scenario above would be the easiest setup for the residents, as no one in the building has electricity in the closet where the POTS lines run from the riser in the meter room. This closet is probably where they would mount the ONT as they could just tap into the in-wall phone lines. I don't see anyone installing an outlet in the closet, and running an extension cord is not a viable option.

    I wonder what they will do :confused:
     
  9. Oct 8, 2007 #529 of 2214
    acvthree

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    Yes, but he currently has Ethernet.

    There have been long discussions on this. There is some minor latency benefit to having both Ethernet and Coax.

    Either way, the installer would use the existing Ethernet if requested.

    Al
     
  10. Oct 8, 2007 #530 of 2214
    acvthree

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    Unless you have specifically turned off the coax networking, no changes would be needed on the Actiontec.

    You only need one coax to the HDTivo. The HDTivo splits the signal to both tuners internally. The cablecards are just for decyption on each tuner. If you are lucky and get the M-card (multi-stream card) you will only need one card.

    Al
     
  11. Oct 8, 2007 #531 of 2214
    mamosley

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    In your type of situation there is an mdu (multiple dwelling unit) ont that goes where the main telco close is. More than likely the molding is for the coax for tv. Pots lines still connect from your dwelling to the mdu in the telco closed. More than likely the internet will be vdsl so you will have a zyxel modem connected to a phone line and the actiontec connected to that.
     
  12. Oct 8, 2007 #532 of 2214
    mamosley

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    Depends on the field tech if he is willing to run cat5 with out the data outlet install on the order whether he will connect the internet or not (for new installs)
     
  13. Oct 8, 2007 #533 of 2214
    acvthree

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    I suppose, but this is not a new order. The Ethernet (data) is already there.

    Are you saying that if the data install is not on the order, that the installer will removed the existing Ethernet and install coax?

    That doesn't make sense. It would be more work for the installer.

    Al
     
  14. Oct 8, 2007 #534 of 2214
    acvthree

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    And, then again, why would I assume anything would make sense. Sorry. Brain lock.

    Al
     
  15. Oct 8, 2007 #535 of 2214
    AbMagFab

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    Make it easy for him. Give him an ethernet jack and tell him you just need it plugged in "there". That's what I did.

    The FIOS techs so far have been much better than any other tech I've seen (e.g. Comcast, DirecTV). They seem knowledgable, flexible, and they seem to care about getting things done right. (Okay, all but one, but I've had 6 out so far for various reasons, so that's a pretty good record.)
     
  16. Oct 8, 2007 #536 of 2214
    mamosley

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    No, they wont remove the existing run. Sorry I didnt explain myself. On a new install, if its set up for moca depending on the tech the wont run cat 5 just because you ask them, some will most wont. At that point is when the cx would have to call billing and ask for a data jack install if you dont want to run internet over coax.
     
  17. Oct 8, 2007 #537 of 2214
    acvthree

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    Mamosley,

    That is definitely consistent with what I've read and experienced.

    Just as AbMagFab said, I've found the techs (and for me also with the exception of just one guy, I wonder if it was the same guy) at Verizon to be some of the best I've worked with. For me, my install was before the networking over coax change, but he looked at the cat5 wiring I had already done and seemed to be trying to do an equivalent job. I thought it was an excelent and very clean installation.

    As always, mileage may vary.

    Al
     
  18. Oct 8, 2007 #538 of 2214
    DCIFRTHS

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    I have seen pictures of VDSL installations, and that is definitely one way for them to do it. The building down the block from me got this type of installation (fiber into each unit), my building is larger with about 250 units. It probably makes the most sense, financially, to use VDSL.

    Last time I checked, VDSL was not as fast as the MOCA implementations. Is this still the case?

    If they use VDSL, is it true that the only copper involved is from the riser in the basement to my unit?

    My board is keeping everyone in the dark on the negotiations :rolleyes:

    Thanks!
     
  19. Oct 8, 2007 #539 of 2214
    bdraw

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    I already had a CAT5 ran from where the ONT is, but the installer refused to use it. He said they don't do it like that anymore and used a router with a coax input. It works great, but I did think it was odd, that they wouldn't use the existing cat5 cable.
     
  20. Oct 8, 2007 #540 of 2214
    acvthree

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    Like I said...

    Al
     

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