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Series 3 Verizon FIOS HD compat?

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by mchad, Sep 12, 2006.

  1. Sep 13, 2006 #21 of 2214
    wdave

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    Thanks for pointing out the difference. Yes, they have press releases on their website saying they have a franchise license for my county (granted Jan 2006), and also something announcing Fios TV installation underway for my city (dated May 2006). They also hung a "coming soon" flyer on my door last week talking about all three services (voice, tv, internet). So it looks real.
     
  2. Sep 13, 2006 #22 of 2214
    Jonathan_S

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    The original cable card can only decode one stream (basically one channel) at a time.
    A multistream can can decode multiple (I think up to 5) streams (channels) at a time.

    This is useful if you have a device, like an S3 TiVo, that can tune more than one channel simultaneously.

    But the only difference between a multistream and non-multistream cable card is how many channels they can decode at once.
     
  3. Sep 13, 2006 #23 of 2214
    classicX

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    Link?

    I'm interested in seeing if / when it will be available in my neighborhood.
     
  4. Sep 13, 2006 #24 of 2214
    mchad

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    Interesting. They have been in my building (12 floor condos) for the past month running conduits up the stairwell then into each floor. THere is also a "coming soon" notice in the mailroom. I wonder how long out it is. This all happening in downtown White Plains, NY, which is pretty metro now (Trump is even building here)

    I have seen VZ trucks laying the orange conduit you mention on the streets, but I haven't seen great wheels of fiber yet.... I am surprised to hear that the conduit would be layed without fiber already in it? Sounds like double the work, no? Why not lay the fiber at the same time as the conduit...
     
  5. Sep 13, 2006 #25 of 2214
    ah30k

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    They use pretty heavy machinery to bore the earth and push the conduit under streets and along curb lines. Perhaps (just a guess) this process is too rough for the fragile fiber. What is interesting in my 'hood is that they did not run conduit to each house, just the in-ground junction boxes spaced around every two or three houses. They will still need to trench to the homes.
     
  6. Sep 13, 2006 #26 of 2214
    mchad

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    Interesting. I actually think that individual residences don't get "fiber". I believe that fiber is run to hubs or junction boxes and copper is what actually goes to the residential installs. At least that is what a coworker told me about his father's install in NJ...
     
  7. Sep 13, 2006 #27 of 2214
    TexasAg

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    They run fiber to the ONT, which is the box on the outside of your house. From there, they split off the voice, data, and video.
     
  8. Sep 13, 2006 #28 of 2214
    dt_dc

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    Fiber to the side of the house ... there's an ONT on the side of the house ... out of the ONT there's CAT5 (data, VOD), coax (linear video), twisted pair (phone) and power (for battery back-up) into the house.
     
  9. Sep 13, 2006 #29 of 2214
    mchad

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    Ok, so I wonder how they will handle apartments. There are 9 units per floor in my building, and they ran a 4" conduit up the stairwell with a 14"x10" box on each floor. From there, a smaller (2") conduit was run in the hallway above each door to the units...
     
  10. Sep 13, 2006 #30 of 2214
    wdave

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    Community specific information is here:

    Verizon in the Community

    then click on the link for your specific state. They have breaking news and press releases about their rollout, as well as propaganda for communities where they may be struggling to get franchise licenses.
     
  11. Sep 14, 2006 #31 of 2214
    musicforme

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    I just got off the phone with Verizon and scheduled an install for 9/22.

    Since I already have Fios Internet, they knocked $5 off the cost of the service. Here is how my bill will break down:

    FiOS TV Premier $34.95
    Sports Package $ 5.95
    CableCard $ 2.95
    CableCard $ 2.95
    SD Cable Box $ 3.95

    The lady I spoke with said I was the first person she spoke with about the new Tivos. She didn't blink or stutter at all when I mentioned the CableCards were going in it.
     
  12. Sep 14, 2006 #32 of 2214
    TexasAg

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    Mine was hemming and hawing about how "their system doesn't work with Tivo" and "their system doesn't support Tivo." When I pushed her, she said something about the Tivo not being able to "read the data." I told her I didn't case about VOD or PPV and I'd be getting the guide data from somewhere else. She stopped real quick and set up the install date.
     
  13. Sep 14, 2006 #33 of 2214
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  14. Sep 14, 2006 #34 of 2214
    musicforme

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    This may be true in MD and in other states, but not in Texas.

    Texas passed a law earlier in the year for a state wide franchise agreement. Verizon and AT&T (formally SWB) can both offer television service as long as they honor existing franchise agreements with the individual cities.
     
  15. Sep 15, 2006 #35 of 2214
    bproteau

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    I've been reading the various posts on Tivo compatibility with Verizon FIOS TV. Like others I'm dismayed by the small non-upgradable DVR hard drive Verizon offers. I have a Panasonic TH-58PX600U and would like to get more recording time. I have also been spoiled by Tivo's interface.

    I'm still a little confused and need a couple points clarified.

    (1) To get full Tivo functionality with FIOS TV it seems I'll need 2 cable cards. I assume one goes in the TIVO and one in the TV?

    (2) Is anyone actually doing this and can vouch for full functionality without any channel changing lag or other problems? (I'm aware of the On Demand and PPV limitation)

    I don't think I've come across a post where someone is actually doing this and having it work flawlessly. If anyone does get this working please post your experiiences and/or problems.

    Regards
     
  16. Sep 15, 2006 #36 of 2214
    bkdtv

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    Both go into the Series3 -- one for each of the built-in digital cable tuners. The Series3 has two CableCard slots on the back. You do not need a CableCard or CableCard slot on your TV.

    Note when FiOS receives stock of multistream CableCards in November, you'll only need one CableCard instead of two. A multistream CableCard is able to support multiple tuners, whereas a standard CableCard only supports one -- which is why you need two of those in the Series3.

    The Series3 works great with FiOS.
     
  17. Sep 15, 2006 #37 of 2214
    bproteau

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    Thanks for clarifying BKDTV.

    So, it sounds like you have the exact setup described working for you. HDTV, Series 3 TIVO, 2 cable cards? Is that correct?

    Have their been any guide related issues or recording problems you've seen?

    Anything else to note?
     
  18. Sep 15, 2006 #38 of 2214
    Jazhuis

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    Most implementations run conduit far before they run anything through it, for various reasons. In an ideal situation, you run your conduit and pull/junction boxes down the length of your run. Then you come back later with the spools of fiber and the various equipment for pulling it, and pull a single run of fiber as far as it can go. Then you come back later, and do any splits/splices that you need to do.

    The reason being, each splice in a fiber line has a dB loss, so you want to minimize splices as much as possible. Even better is that a single run of fiber tends to be subdivided in the cable itself: a 72-strand fiber cable may be 6 buffer tubes of 12 fibers each. That way, you can have a single buffer that runs, relatively unspliced, all the way to the end of your run, while you're breaking the others out that need to splice closer in.

    Thus, it's generally a better idea to wait until all your conduit is in before you run your fiber, unless you really like using ($$$) repeaters.

    </too much information about fiber>
     
  19. Sep 15, 2006 #39 of 2214
    Peanuthead

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    Are you actually DOING this, as the poster asked?
    I am very interested in this also, as I want to replace my FIOS DVR,
    but want to make sure that there are no significant issues before
    purchasing the Tivo.

    Thanks.
     
  20. Sep 15, 2006 #40 of 2214
    classicX

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    Wow. The TV Premier price is significantly cheaper than anything Comcast (my cable provider) offers outside of basic cable (which is just locals and public access). I'd be interested to see your channel lineup.

    I have been hoping FIOS internet would be ready in my neighborhood (New Jersey) since I signed the papers to build my new house. It's been over a year now and I don't see it as being even in the planning stages. :-(

    With prices like that I would jump in about 12 seconds ago.

    No, that last statement didn't make any sense but you get what I meant, so there!
     

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