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Series 3 Verizon FIOS HD compat?

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by mchad, Sep 12, 2006.

  1. Mar 19, 2007 #361 of 2214
    bilbo

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    I always knew people referred to him as the Tivo guy, but thanks for clearing that up!
     
  2. Mar 19, 2007 #362 of 2214
    captain_video

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    For those of you that are installing your own splitters in the line you might want to check with Verizon to make sure you're using the right kind, especially if you have any standard boxes that require two-way communication, such as VOD. I had a Monster Cable wideband splitter setup prior to the installers' arrival and they looked at it and said it wouldn't work. I belive the one I had only had one leg that would pass power and the correct type requires that all legs are power pass, but I'm not 100% sure. It turned out that I had a four-way splitter and they needed five outputs so they installed their own. Apparently the coax feed from the ONT goes to the splitter and then out to the wireless router.

    This surprised me since Comcast split out their cable modem signal at the entrance to the house and then ran the 2nd line to the various other TV connections throughout the house using additional splitters. I dropped Comcast cable years ago after DTV started providing my locals so I just had the single cable line going straight to the cable modem.
     
  3. Mar 19, 2007 #363 of 2214
    Greeble

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    No, still having the same problem with the same 3 channels. I had a truck roll schedualed but had to cancel it because I couldn't be home then. I'm going to try to scheduale another truck on Friday.
     
  4. Mar 22, 2007 #364 of 2214
    flipit

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    Last might, my pixelation problem with UHD, DHD and WealthTV disappeared. At least for the time being, everything appears to be performing great (as it was before about a month ago). Hope this is a permanent fix.
     
  5. Mar 22, 2007 #365 of 2214
    bareyb

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    DHD has been bad on my S3 lately as well. Unwatchable. I'll try a test and record some shows on my Comcast DVR too and make sure it's an S3 issue and not a problem with Comcast. I'll report back later... First major problem I've had with dropouts on the S3 and also just started about a week ago. Makes me wonder if it's not a Comcast problem... Seems odd all our boxes are only messing up on the same channels...
     
  6. Mar 23, 2007 #366 of 2214
    Ron Tobin

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    I have an S3 with VZ cable cards.

    I was watching the spring training baseball game on ESPN-HD and it started pixelizing very badly. I went to the diagnositics screen and the signal was jumping between 81 and 89, losing signal lock each time there was a change in the reading, which must have been pixelizing. I have another HD set with a Moto 6200 tuner, and turned on that set. Naturally, the picture was fine, while the S3 w/cable continued to pixelize.

    Now where do I begin? Is this a VZ problem with the cable card or a Tivo issue? Any comments would be appreciated, particularly by anyone who has had success identifying the cause.
     
  7. Apr 1, 2007 #367 of 2214
    stockwatch_1999

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    I can report that Montgomery County, MD seems to have the same local HD pixelation problems (801-809) as the folks down in Texas. Verizon fiber support seems at a loss so if anyone has found the solution to this problem, please post. Otherwise, I am afraid I'm back to Comcast.
     
  8. Apr 4, 2007 #368 of 2214
    dochogan

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    4 visits from Vzn, still no working S3+CC :(

    I see references in this thread to "the good error message," and other vague hints to assist troubleshooting a bad install; I can't find anything stating what "the good error message" is, or what indicators I should be looking for (to point out to the Vzn guy) to show that we have a problem more specific than "it doesn't work".

    Can anyone post some troubleshooting info, please? I'm almost 2 weeks down!

    Thanks!
     
  9. Apr 16, 2007 #369 of 2214
    Ron Tobin

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    VZ tech spent four hours at my home today checking signal quality. Every channel is within spec, yet piixelization continues on ESPN, ESPNHD, NFLHD, HDNet and HDNet Movies. If you look at the diagnostics screen you can see the signal jumping all over the place. And those channels happen to be on 717mhz, 723mhz and 735mhz. I even got Tivo support to talk with the VZ guy. Tivo suggested an amp to boost the signals on those channels, but that didn't help.

    I'm almost at the point of giving up on Tivo S3/VZ CC compatability. I think the VZ tech went above and beyond. I saw the signal quality readings on his eqt. And this is my second Tivo box, as the first one was replaced by Tivo when I started reporting the problems. And VZ, this AM also changed out the cable cards, to no avail.
     
  10. Apr 17, 2007 #370 of 2214
    jtkohl

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    Do you have an OTA antenna connected too? Try a terminator on the antenna input on the S3?
    I've seen some comments in other threads that local broadcasts can interfere with some channels on the cable at the same frequency.
    (Anybody know the frequency ranges of UHF OTA broadcasts, by channel?)

    UPDATE: Hmm, according to http://www.picomacom.com/specs/pico/APPENDIX.pdf, those frequencies are UHF channels 55, 56, 58.
    Any local stations broadcasting on those? (Keep in mind that channel frequency assignments don't match channel numbers anymore.)
     
  11. Apr 17, 2007 #371 of 2214
    Ron Tobin

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    In my case, I have local digital channels close to those listed above. I believe I have one at 57 and another at 59. And I do have an ASTC antenna attached.

    So are you suggesting that I disconnect the OTA antenna and terminating that connection? Certainly, anything is worth a try.
     
  12. May 19, 2007 #372 of 2214
    Joe Q

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    Like others, I have complained and complained to Directv about their lousy 'HD Lite' to no avail.

    Until recently, I did not have a choice but no longer:
    Verizon will be at my house on Tuesday, May 22 to install their FIOS TV and then I ditch Directv after being with them for nearly 10 years.

    I have a modified HR 10-250 HDTIVO that is on my home network which allows me to do some really useful things with it but after May 22, it will lose its usefullness.

    Verizon will be installing their HD DVR which I assume will be the Motorola 6416 and I am trying to figure out why many folks with FIOS get the Series 3 instead of using the Moto box.

    If it makes sense, I will get a Series 3 for my FIOS service but when I compare the Moto box to the Series 3, it does NOT make sense to get an S3.

    What am I missing here:

    1) I can archive via Firewire from the Motorola Box but not with the S3
    2) The Moto box costs $13 per month versus $17 for the S3
    3) I would have to get 2 cablecards at $6 ($4 card 1+ $2 card 2) per month to be able to use the S3 with FIOS
    4) I would have to buy the S3 for a decent chunk of change whereas the Moto box is covered under #2
    5) I lose some FIOS features if I use a Series 3 box instead of the Moto box.
    6) I don't have to buy an extended warranty because the Moto box is a rental
    7) The S3 has a bigger disk and is expandable but since I can use the Firewire to offload shows (like a I do today over Ethernet with my HR 10-250) there is no need to get a bigger disk. That is the reason why I have kept my Hr10-250 with it's standard 250gb DISK

    Any thoughts would be appreciated.

    Thanks
     
  13. May 19, 2007 #373 of 2214
    wmcbrine

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    Well, the general opinion is that it's better. I can't attest to that from my own experience, but I do have a Fios SD STB, which I understand is much the same (apart from the DVR features). Using it makes me glad I have a Tivo S3 for my main set.

    My reasons were a) I'd heard bad things about the Fios DVR, and b) I wanted to make things easy for other household members who were used to the DirecTV Tivos. (Changing services is pain enough!)

    Yes, and that's a major point. I think most of us assumed that we'd have TivoToGo sooner rather than later.

    Dunno where you get $17. I pre-paid three years at $8.31 per month. Of course, that doesn't include CableCard fees, nor the upfront price. On the third hand, Fios DVRs are going up to $16.

    On the other hand, you lose some Tivo features if you use the Moto box instead of a Series 3. :)

    I didn't have to buy an extended warranty, either.

    I notice that Verizon is charging $550 for "non-returned or damaged" DVRs.
     
  14. May 19, 2007 #374 of 2214
    Joe Q

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    Thanks for the reply.
    The dollar figures are simply rounded off figures I found via a quick search on some websites and not based on a multi year commitment.
    I just used these for rough comparisons.

    I am early in my research on the best way to have a DVR for the new TV service so I obviously have more to learn about the Series 3 .

    Can you clarify something from your reply:
    You are using Verizon's SD DVR,have a Series 3 but are NOT using the Series 3 for your Verizon TV service. Correct?

    Why is that?

    I do need to look into 'tivotogo' as I am not familiar with that.
     
  15. May 19, 2007 #375 of 2214
    bkdtv

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    The Motorola DVR used by FiOS has greatly improved in stability over the past 12 months. It is no longer "buggy" as it was a year ago, but it still lacks in usability compared to the Series3. My main issue with the FiOS DVR is the storage capacity.

    I would be satisfied with the Motorola DVR if it weren't for its 160Gb capacity, with no expansion in sight. In contrast, the Series3 has 250Gb and you can easily add a 750Gb eSATA drive for a little over $200.

    Remember that FiOS doesn't re-compress and degrade the quality of its HDTV, and as a result, one-hour of HDTV on FiOS often requires significantly more space than it does on the DirecTV DVR. It's not uncommon for a single, one-hour high-definition recording to consume 5-6% of capacity on the FiOS DVR. Capacity on the FiOS DVR will range from 16-24 hours of HDTV depending on what channels you record.

    You can archive recordings from the local networks to a PC using Firewire, as they are marked "copy freely," but not much else. The cable channels on FiOS are flagged as 5C "copy one generation" which means you can't record them using Firewire unless you have an authorized 5C device, like a JVC HDTV D-VHS recorder. PCs are not authorized 5C devices. The Tivo Series3 has no problem recording any FiOS channels.

    As noted above, FiOS is increasing the cost of their Motorola DVR from $12.99 to $15.99/mo for customers that add it after July 13. If you add the DVR before July 13, you are "grandfathered" at the $12.99/mo price.
     
  16. May 20, 2007 #376 of 2214
    wmcbrine

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    Not at all. I'm using Verizon's SD STB (NOT DVR) for one TV. (Verizon doesn't offer an SD DVR, BTW; all their DVRs are HD.) It's not a DVR, but operates the same as the DVR otherwise, or so I understand -- same menus, same guide, etc. And yes, I'm also using my Series 3's with Fios, on other TVs.
     
  17. May 21, 2007 #377 of 2214
    String

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    I have had both boxes. I found that the SD using the moto box on an HD TV was unwatchable. I think HD differences were negligible.
     
  18. May 21, 2007 #378 of 2214
    Ziggy86

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    Does the Verizon DVR allow you to watch one program and record another at the same time? How does it compare to the Tivo series 2 I have now. Just wondering if it is worth the cost to upgrade to the series 3 or just get verizons unit?
     
  19. May 21, 2007 #379 of 2214
    bkdtv

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    Yes, it does. The FiOS DVR will also let you simultaneously record two different HD or SD channels while you watch a third, pre-recorded program.

    The FiOS DVR offers the same basic functionality as the Tivo Series3, but with an an inferior interface and some missing features (no wishlists, no dual buffered tuners, etc). Of course, it also has 35% less storage capacity and doesn't support eSATA hard drives for expansion.
     
  20. May 21, 2007 #380 of 2214
    Ziggy86

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    the storage feature is what I will miss the most but I heard you can back up the recordings , is that correct? If so how do you back up a program
     

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