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Series 3 Verizon FIOS HD compat?

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by mchad, Sep 12, 2006.

  1. richsadams

    richsadams Active Member

    Jan 4, 2003
    My money says there's cable card rental fee's in the OP's future.
  2. pieler8

    pieler8 New Member

    Mar 18, 2009
    Exton, PA
    My tivo series 3 HD isn't receiving any premium channels. The locals are coming in fine.

    fios tech re-paired the m card. on the conditional access screen i'm seeing this

    Con: Yes EBCP: Yes Val: V 0x00

    Nothing else below that.

    Would anyone know the problem?
  3. pieler8

    pieler8 New Member

    Mar 18, 2009
    Exton, PA
    ignore this, just did a manual update to 11.0k, fixed it!
  4. kurtster

    kurtster New Member

    Jan 29, 2007
    I'm going back to FIOS. Comcast is killing me with the fee hikes over time. I started with $99/month with Starz and HBO, now I'm up to $170/mo. $18 of that is for 4 cable cards without ever doing anything to change my service. They also won't let me transfer HBO or Starz content from my HDXL to my Series 3. FIOS had no such restriction when I was with them.
  5. Mar 5, 2012 #2125 of 2214

    Revolutionary Too sleepy for TV...

    Dec 1, 2004
    Wow, I forgot all about this thread. Almost 2 years on, and there's still no sign of the dreaded 0x02 flag on my FIOS channels. :)
  6. Mar 6, 2012 #2126 of 2214
    Phantom Gremlin

    Phantom Gremlin New Member

    Jun 20, 2002
    Move to Frontier-land, you'll get all the 0x02 flags on FiOS that you could ever desire.

    I'd like to believe that the stock market rewards Verizon for its (relative) competence as compared to Frontier, as manifested by the differing Copy Control Information flags in the two systems. But it's probably much simpler than that. Frontier is (probably) just utterly inept. They recently cut their dividend (for the 2nd time in two years). They haven't yet gone bankrupt, but that's what happened to two other entities, Fairpoint Communications and Hawaiian Telecom, that Verizon previously sold subscribers to.

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  7. Mar 6, 2012 #2127 of 2214

    vurbano New Member

    Apr 20, 2004
    you know i think its still on only one channel. the silly HUBHD channel that I never watch anyway. And never will as long as its there.
  8. das335

    das335 Member

    Feb 8, 2006
    I recently kicked the Verizon DVR to the curb and added a cablecard to my TiVO HD. I did the self-install and it took about 10 minutes to get the cablecard up and running. No issues.

    Just prior to all of this, I had a router/ONT issue and had both replaced. To eliminate any questions, I removed a 2nd Actiontec router I used as a MoCa switch and replaced it with my old Motorola NIM 100.

    When I connected the TiVo to the Verizon cable feed, I used the TV output coax jack on the NIM 100, since it was available.

    Ok, here is the mystery. Today I decide to cleanup some of the cables left over after removing the Verizon DVR. Bad Idea. 4 hours later and a lot of TiVo restarts, I finally got everything working "normally" again with my original cable connection from the NIM 100.

    It appears that the NIM 100 TV output has the MoCa frequencies filtered out. When I look at signal strengths using this setup, I get mostly 90 - 100 with a SNR of 36 - 37.

    If I simply use the signal straight from the Verizon connection thru a cable company provided 2-way splitter, I get signal strengths of 40 -70 and several of the channels (600,602,603,619...) show 0 for strength.

    I searched and found a lot on using a low pass filter (LPF) and saw that some people had used a satellite diplexor as an alternative. I had a Radio Shack one available so I gave it a try. The results where similar to the 2-way splitter test. I still had low signal strengths (< 70) and saw pixellation on several channels (SNR about 26). Most of the missing channels were still not found.

    Finally , here are the questions:

    1) Can anyone verify that the NIM 100 does block the MoCa frequencies (like a LPF) on its TV output jack ?

    2) Can I use 2 way splitters that are rated for 5-900 MHZ to block (or filter) MoCa frequencies on the output side ?

    3) When I restart the TiVo (with it connected to the NIM TV output), I often get a "Acquiring Channel Information, please wait" type message and it takes about 10 minutes to get to Live TV. Is this normal ?

    I have used my TiVo HD with antenna for about 3 years with almost no problems so I am a bit spoiled.

    I will try and get a LPF from Verizon but I need to have a backup in case the NIM 100 stops working. I hope to run cat-6 wiring in the future and reuse the NIM 100 in another room.

    Sorry for rambling, it was a long and unproductive day :(
  9. Jun 1, 2012 #2129 of 2214

    shamilian Member

    Mar 26, 2003

    1) It likely has an internal diplexer.

    2) No, Just because they say what they do between 50-900MHz they say nothing about what happens outside that range.

    3) That is a long time check your OOB signal level

    I called the FIOS help line and request the LPF. They provided an in-line filter that filters above 860MHz.

    First check the signal strength without the splitter ( they can be bad, so can cable connections ). Check at various channels using the DVR diag screen and note the frequencies not the channel numbers.

    If you have a few bad channels ( in nearby frequencies) that usually means that you have a bad connection/cable/splitter....
  10. Jun 1, 2012 #2130 of 2214

    das335 Member

    Feb 8, 2006
    Thanks for the info. I will get a Low Pass Filter (LPF) and see how it works. Things are fine right now but I want to have options.
  11. pacor

    pacor New Member

    Dec 26, 2001
    Lewisville, TX
    I have a TIVO HD with a verizon cable card working. I have another TIVO HD in a different room with no cable card, just antena. Can I move the cable card from one TIVO HD to the other without having to have a Verizon tech come by? It is just as easy as get the card out of one TIVO and insert it on the other and do the setup?
  12. wkearney99

    wkearney99 Bill Kearney

    Dec 5, 2003
    The cablecards are designed to be paired with the Tivo. If they are then you cannot move the card between them. I believe Verizon pairs them, so no you can't do what you're suggesting.

    And you probably don't want to either. For one you run the risk of the socket getting worn out or damaged by pulling/replacing the card all the time. Then there's the disruption of the service, you'll have the Tivo without the card getting confused about what channels it can get.

    If you've got a Tivo HD then it only needs one M-type cablecard.

    The cards rent cheap, just rent it from verizon.
  13. SoBayJake

    SoBayJake New Member

    Feb 6, 2002
    Los Angeles, CA
    Unless it's a new policy, Verizon does NOT pair them. I have moved all my cards around as recently as 2 months ago without issue.
  14. unitron

    unitron Active Member

    Apr 28, 2006
    semi-coastal NC
    When you say "just antenna" do you have cable running to that thing or not?
  15. teasip

    teasip Member

    Aug 24, 2002
    Verizon doesn't pair but why would you want to move them unless you were having issues and wanting to exclude the CC's as a potential source? Same question as unitron, coax from Verizon splitter to TV or an actual OTA antenna on the second TiVo? I'm using the Verizon feed to a third TV without a converter box or CC just to get the QAM locals.
  16. wmcbrine

    wmcbrine Ziphead

    Aug 2, 2003
    It is a (relatively) new policy, and they do pair them. However, this doesn't necessarily mean that you can't move them -- I think a paired card moved to a different unit will just act the same as an unpaired card. And on Fios, an unpaired card is sufficient, since all channels (except 131/1952) have CCI = 0.
  17. deepthinker

    deepthinker Member

    Oct 25, 2002
    DFW, TX
  18. Jonathan_S

    Jonathan_S Well-Known Member

    Oct 23, 2001
    I saw the same thing in an engadet article and was coming to post that.

    I'll miss being able to backup anything to my computer. Hopefully Verizon will apply the copy protection bits sparingly; but I guess we'll have to wait and see.
  19. dgb99

    dgb99 New Member

    Feb 7, 2006
    It'll be interesting to see if my TV goes out...

    I have an original Series 3 Tivo that I basically did the Cablecard installation on when I first got it because the 'installer' had no idea what he was doing. Neither did I really but I had some helpful guides from these forums. No idea if I did it 'right' back then other than that it worked.

    Sometime in the last year, the hard drive died and I replaced it with a new hard drive from Weaknees. I figured I would have to redo the Cablecard procedure but was surprised that it worked right from poweron.

    Now if I go to channel 131 like the flyer says, I get a canned commercial which, again based on the flyer, indicates I should not have to do anything. However, the error message looked familiar so I went through the Tivo menus to the Cablecard pairing menus and I can see that exact message.

    So who's taking bets on whether my FIOS TV will work on August 1st? Based on Verizon's outstanding customer support and communication methods, I'm guessing it will not work...
  20. SoBayJake

    SoBayJake New Member

    Feb 6, 2002
    Los Angeles, CA
    At least someone at Verizon seems to understand the CCI byte!

    Most local cable headend support people don't seem to. I know Verizon has the super headends, so since they (hopefully) set the CCI byte there for just the channels they went, and local channels shouldn't have it set, we might get lucky.

    Cross your fingers (or TiVo antennae!)

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