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Series 3 Upgrade

Discussion in 'TiVo Upgrade Center' started by Anametrix, Sep 14, 2006.

  1. Sep 14, 2006 #1 of 500
    Anametrix

    Anametrix New Member

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    I'm going to give this a try, but have a couple of questions:

    What size swap file do I need to create on a 750GB upgrade drive? I've upgraded my other TiVos with 250GB drives using the following command:

    mfsrestore -s 127 -r 4 -zxpi /mnt/backupimage.bak /dev/hda

    I know I'll need to increase the 127 swap size, I was hoping someone knew what size that would need to be?

    Also is there anything else I need to do to support a 750GB drive different to what I've done in the past with the 250GB drive?

    Many thanks in advance for any advice anyone can offer!
     
  2. Sep 14, 2006 #2 of 500
    cch108

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    I'm no expert, but my understanding is the swap file would have to be 375 MB and then you have to run the tpip command to utilize it.
     
  3. Sep 14, 2006 #3 of 500
    Anametrix

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    Actually, also looks like the only drive that can be used is a SATA WD drive, the connector on the S3 is a propriatary WD connector...
     
  4. Sep 14, 2006 #4 of 500
    cch108

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    Weaknees is selling 750 Gb drives for $599.
     
  5. Sep 14, 2006 #5 of 500
    griboyedov

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    The proprietary cable is WD SecureConnect. While it won't work with other manufacturers' hard drives, that cable can easily be replaced with a vanilla SATA cable.

    I'm planning on installing a 750GB Seagate as soon as I get my S3 tomorrow.
     
  6. Sep 14, 2006 #6 of 500
    Anametrix

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    I'm not sure it can be replaced with a vanilla cable, I think the power cable is soldered on the TiVo board side...
     
  7. Sep 14, 2006 #7 of 500
    tivoupgrade

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    You don't need to (nor do we recommend) increasing the swap size. It will not benefit your performance in the least. The only harm in increasing the swap size is that if you do not initialize it correctly, using tpip, you may end up with no swap at all. And that is a bad thing.

    I don't want to start a flame war of the benefits of increased swap vs the non-benefits of not-increased swap, however I can tell you with confidence, after having played with it for over 5 years and observed the effects of large drives in the field with increased and non-increased swap, there is truly no benefit to it, from what I have seen and experienced.

    I respect the fact that some folks like to increase their swap and feel that there is a benefit to it - but I take issue with the misnomer that it is something you MUST do. It just isn't the case...
     
  8. Sep 14, 2006 #8 of 500
    ahaley42

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    Anyone tried this yet? Looking to do mine today.
     
  9. Sep 14, 2006 #9 of 500
    puffdaddy

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    Does your experience include MFS file system fixes and rebuilds?
     
  10. Sep 14, 2006 #10 of 500
    JamieP

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    I agree with this and it's the message I'm attempting to convey when I refer people to the "two schools of thought" post.
     
  11. Sep 15, 2006 #11 of 500
    tripmaster

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    I'll spend the money at Weaknees if I must but Im hoping to do this myself as well -- so Im looking forward to the first how they did it post...
     
  12. Sep 15, 2006 #12 of 500
    ahaley42

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    Well, it will take an actuall OS or system that can read SATA Drives, so not either of the well known boot disks at this time. After that it all depends on creating the disk image and placing it on the new disk. Possible that the MFSTOOLS will do that. WeeKnees said they wouldn't have time to share for a while, I'm guessing right about the time that drive sales taper off. :)
    I don't begrudge them getting their money but I just can't spent THAT kind of money to do it. Over double what the actual drive costs. My wife is already on the edge of murderous. :cool:
     
  13. Sep 15, 2006 #13 of 500
    BobCamp1

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    Well, one of their main sources of income will go away once Tivo activates the eSATA port on the back of the unit. Then upgrading the S3 becomes a one step process that even my grandparents could do (and they just discovered the backspace key on their PC last week...)
     
  14. Sep 15, 2006 #14 of 500
    lessd

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    I feel the same way, have TiVo running with 300g & 400G drives and 127m swap for years with no problems.
     
  15. Sep 15, 2006 #15 of 500
    tripmaster

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    Shouldnt it be primarily a matter of finding a Linux distro that has SATA driver support?

     
  16. Sep 15, 2006 #16 of 500
    tripmaster

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    I dont think that's true - ppl will be looking to maximize their storage for a long time. 750GB internal, maybe 1.5TB in a eSATA RAID...

     
  17. Sep 15, 2006 #17 of 500
    Dkerr24

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    I agree completely. I have been running a 300gb Samsung drive in one of my DTivo units for over 6 months with *only* a 127mb swap file and it runs perfect. I tried tpip before this, ended up with NO swap file and the unit locked up almost daily.
     
  18. Sep 15, 2006 #18 of 500
    Anametrix

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    Great info on the swap size, many thanks guys.
     
  19. Sep 15, 2006 #19 of 500
    ahaley42

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    Should be but I booted to one that did and it still had issues seeing the drive content. So I'm not sure. Guess I'll wait till someone smarter than I tackles it. I just wanted to do it before I got the image dirty.
     
  20. Sep 15, 2006 #20 of 500
    ahaley42

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    When. If. Whatever. :) The if is what I'm worried about. 25 hours of HD isn't much. Guess I'll keep my S2 around for SD content.
     

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