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Series 3 info on tivo.com

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by jfh3, Aug 23, 2006.

  1. classicsat

    classicsat Astute User

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    You would not be able to use it with your encrypted pay channels.
    You would have to either watch them direct or TiVo them in SD with a Series 2 DVR on a cable box.

    For using the Series 3 on encrypted channels, yes.

    For HD, yes. They will still offer the Series 2 though.
     
  2. jfh3

    jfh3 New Member

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    I don't care if the S3 procedure for manually mapping QAM channels is tedious or not - I just want the ability.

    The Sony process is tedious, but at least it exists.
     
  3. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    TiVo doesn't do tedious. It's got to be easy otherwise it wont make the cut.

    Dan
     
  4. lasergecko

    lasergecko New Member

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    You have a seriously screwed up computer, then.
     
  5. lessd

    lessd Active Member

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    No way is TiVo going to give each TiVo Series 3 the ability to map channels by the user, it would have to be done on TiVos servers and their not going to let users into their servers. TiVo makes it a pain for Apt CATV systems because they have to maintain the data. TiVo maintains the channel data for each ZIP and system/channels available at that ZIP code. You are going to have to use the CC mapping to use TiVo as intended.
     
  6. Welshdog

    Welshdog Tivo this, punk!

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    Wait. Wait.

    Lemme look.

    I . . . I . . . ahhh . . . ummmm.

    I think I see it, errrrrr . . . is that . . . maaayyy beeeeee

    I got it . . . I got it . . .

    Nope, I ain't got it.
     
  7. TiVo Troll

    TiVo Troll Registered Troll

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    Channel selection from Guided Set-up used to be tedious as hell back in TiVo's standard-def salad days!. As jfh3 said, tedious doesn't matter (it's a one time task) nearly as much as the ability to manually map a channel line-up. If Series 3 can't automatically map a line-up and doesn't offer manual channel mapping, Series 3 won't make the cut.
     
  8. andydumi

    andydumi Fish. Butt.

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    manual mapping may be nice. but i look forward to being able to actually remove channels from the guide and lineup, as my comcast box shows me tons of channels i dont care about and never want to see.
    thats gonna be a huge step up from comcast boxes for me.
    and i hope i can turn off the front display in the tivo. or at least reduce it to something simple like the series 2. i like the red light, green light simplicity. i dont care whats recording, as i probably know what i scheduled, or i can just hit a button and see whats being recorded.
     
  9. jfh3

    jfh3 New Member

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    No, it wouldn't have to be done on the servers at all. Just use a local lookup table on the Tivo.

    Have a channel guide option. Pick what Tivo thinks as channel 231 but tell the tuner to tune to 89.1 (or whatever). This could EASILY be an option off the existing channels screen.

    It woulkd be nice if there was a setup option maintained on the Tivo servers, but as often as some MSOs change the mappings, it might be impractical.
     
  10. lessd

    lessd Active Member

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    Do you believe the current hardware (series 2) has the capability now, It could be done in the TiVo hardware if TiVo wanted but I don't think it can be done with just a software upgrade. I don't think TiVo puts anything in the hardware they don't have to for cost reasons, the channel mapping is now done in their servers not in each TiVo itself. The channel information is held in the hard drive of the TiVo (downloaded from the TiVo servers) and called up as needed. (that why changing channels can be slow) The cable can change their lineup 3 times a month as long as the cable box and or CC re-map to the published lineup the customer would not know. The cable co may use this as a form of scrambling to get people to use cable boxes or CC. I can't even re-map the TV channels on my computers ATI TV, it comes in from an external source, I just have to give out my ZIP and cable service and the correct info comes into my computer.
     
  11. Bierboy

    Bierboy Seasoned gas passer

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    This is beginning to concern me, as well. I had the Sony DHG unit for several months, and the only way I was able to successfully receive all my are OTA HD channels was by re-mapping. If the S3 won't allow this, it's gonna be a problem. I'm not confident the TiVo guide, as good as it's been, will be able to handle all the nuances of digital channel mapping with multiple subs involved.
     
  12. Dajad

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    I know I'm late into the discussion but for those of us that either: (i) live in Canada or elsewhere; or (ii) have a non-major MSO cable provider; we'd like to be able to buy the Series 3 now so that when cablecard DOES become an option we'll have a device that can use it.

    I have been aching to upgrade my system for a long time now. I don't want to buy a Series 2 this year only to discover that next year my cableco supports Cablecard.

    THAT'S why TiVo should include an IR/blaster s-video in-option as they do on Series 2s. If they do, sign me up as the first purchaser!

    I'm hoping that with the feedback we've given since this beast was first shown, that TiVo has decided to include s-video or component in with an IR blaster as an option

    ...Dale
     
  13. chandler1818

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    THAT'S why TiVo should include an IR/blaster s-video in-option as they do on Series 2s. If they do, sign me up as the first purchaser!

    I'm hoping that with the feedback we've given since this beast was first shown, that TiVo has decided to include s-video or component in with an IR blaster as an option

    ...Dale[/QUOTE]


    I hear you Dale but I think you can forget it. The fact is the TiVo website now says you must have cable card to use. Given how few sets are coming with cable card i think this more than anything else will contribute to tivo's downfall. i know i am getting ready to buy a new 40 in. sony hd-ready and it has not cable card option. so, unfortunately, i am going to have to forego waiting for series 3 and go with comcast dvr. tivo made some bad choices in developing this thing but cable card was the worst.
     
  14. Larry in TN

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    You don't need a TV that supports CableCARD, it is the Series 3 supports CableCARD. You'll only need CableCARD in the Series 3 to recieve the encrypted digital channels and, possibly, to map the unencrypted QAM channels so that they can be linked to their guide data.
     
  15. greg_burns

    greg_burns Now in HD

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    This isn't the first time somebody's been confused by the "my TV doesn't support cablecard issue". Tivo should probably attack this misunderstanding now before it starts affecting sales. How about an update to the cablecard FAQ that makes that perfectly clear?
     
  16. chandler1818

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    So, you can use Series 3 with a tv that does not have cablecard capabilities?
     
  17. Dajad

    Dajad New Member

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    QUESTION 1: Does the Series 3 have an ATSC Tuner BUILT IN?

    Or does it just have a coax input that can take content FROM an ATSC Tuner? Humm... as I type this that doesn't make sense because without the tuner it couldn't change the channel.

    OK, can someone confirm that it has an ATSC tuner and the "Antenna In" coax-input is where you attach an antenna?

    If so, this may be a short term solution for me. I live in downtown Toronto, just a few blocks from the CN Tower where all the local HDTV stations have their antennas. Perhaps, if the TiVo Series 3 has an ATSC Tuner, I could use that to record my prime-time HD shows off the air.

    I could then ditch my Rogers SFA 8300HD box (which I despise). I have a secondary digital tuner box that I own that I could still use to feed my Series 1 for all the other non-HD digital channels I want and have the secondary analogue tuner on the TiVo Series 3 record conflicting shows from analogue.

    DOES THIS SOUND LIKE IT WOULD WORK?

    I guess I'd loose my high-def movie channels but, hey, I can live with that so long as I could still record SD-digital movies on my other S1 TiVo for now.

    QUESTION 2: Does anyone have suggestions on an affordable ATSC antenna?

    I could place beside my condo window. It's about 20 feet from the TV so I need to get a cable over to it. I've never seriously considered this before so I'm rather week on my knowledge of how OTA HD recording works. Or, better yet, can anyone give a link to a website that discussess ATSC antenna options for high-rise condos? My Dell 4200 Plasma has an ATSC Tuner built in that I've never tried. If using the S3 with an ATSC-tuner built in is a viable option, I'll go out and buy an ATSC antenna and cable before buying an S3 to see if I get enough HD stations in Toronto to make it worth the while.

    QUESTION 3: How does picking an OTA channel work when you also have cable?

    I've had a TiVo for 7 years and never recorded OTA. If I want to tell TiVo to record a show off the ATSC Tuner (and not the analogue) how do I do that. So, let's say I want to record LOST off the ATSC-antenna but it is also on analogue cable. But, I'd want to record another TV show off the analogue channel at the same time. Can I tell TiVo specifically to record one show off the antenna and another off the analogue cable? If LOST is on, let's say the local Canadian network Global OTA and on the analogue cable signal, how do I tell it to record from global OTA and not global on the analogue cable - especially if they have the same "channel number". This is probably a very basic question for those who have recorded OTA for years but I honestly have no idea how TiVo handles that.

    Many thanks.

    ...Dale
     
  18. greg_burns

    greg_burns Now in HD

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    Sure. You connect from S3 to TV via HDMI or component (RG&B) cables. Think about it. The CC tunes the channels for the S3 to record. If the card was in your TV, how could the S3 control it?
     
  19. greg_burns

    greg_burns Now in HD

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    Yes

    Edit: On a side-note the new DT's have neither ATSC nor NTSC tuner. By FCC mandate, to have an NTSC tuner you must include an ATSC one, Tivo chose neither for the DTs.

    Try the cheapest pair of (amplified) rabbit ears you can find to start with. Works for me. Check out http://antennaweb.org

    The OTA channel lineup has got to be in the guide data. That is what all the fret is about with the QAM channels via cable. Hopefully Tivo makes it custimizable in some way in case the guide data is incomplete.
     
  20. bkdtv

    bkdtv New Member

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    Absolutely.
     

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