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Series 3 HD stuck in "Powering Up..."

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by BOMOON, Aug 15, 2013.

  1. WO312

    WO312 Active Member

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    Not sure why you would be interested in an expansion drive. Just get a 2 TB upgrade and have the single drive. Much more capacity than you have now and only one hard drive to worry about.
     
  2. BOMOON

    BOMOON Negative Futurist

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    As I said in my previous post,

    "These excerpts from the TiVo forum FAQ suggest that upgrading the internal drive with one of the Weaknees or DVRDude plug & play drives will trash the expander eSATA interface, thus also trashing the content on the expander drive."

    IOW, I'm only interested in trying to salvage the content on the existing expander drive. Once I do that (if I can), there certainly would be no need to continue using it if I have a 1TB or 2TB internal.
     
  3. hangtime79

    hangtime79 New Member

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    Interesting because I just had the same thing happen to me with my S3, infinite power loop. I didn't receive any pixelation ahead of time (what happened the last two times I pulled an S3 hard drive and rebuilt). So I walked down and got a WD-AV drive to replace it in the Tivo. I used WinMFS, built a truncated drive. This worked for about a week, the S3 then returned back to the infinite powering up loop even with a known clean drive. Curious I watched it and both times and the loops occurred after the second connection ie software download. Does anyone know what the current S3 image is and has a new system update been pushed in the last month? These issues for me started on 7/14.

    Of course this could all be due to chance, but worth a shot.
     
  4. unitron

    unitron Active Member

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    For quite some time now the latest S3 software was version 11.0k

    In maybe the past month or so they've started a slow rollout of 11.0m

    I have no idea if this has anything to do with your troubles, but I would suggest you verify that there's nothing wrong with your power supply.
     
  5. BOMOON

    BOMOON Negative Futurist

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    After re-installing the drive and re-connecting all the external cables, I've gotten the TiVo to reboot and run. It started out slow as hell compared to how it ran before it acted as though the hard drive was trashed.

    Even though the performance was slow, I was able to access many of the previously recorded programs. There were no problems except for the slow response.

    Then after about 20 minutes I tried to reconnect with the network.

    It was a bad move on my part. After a few minutes I got a green screen telling me that the receiver had encountered a "serious problem" and was attempting to restart. IT added that I should not attempt to restart the receiver myself, and that if it was still stuck in this mode I should contact "customer support."

    After an hour it's still locked up in this mode, doing nothing as far as I can tell.

    At this point, the software version is:

    11.0K-01-2-648

    No date is given.

    I still do not know what caused the original hangup during booting. What little I do know is that uninstalling the drive, running diagnostics which gave me ambiguous results, and re-installing the drive resulted in this somewhat successful startup sequence once I reconnected everything.
     
  6. BOMOON

    BOMOON Negative Futurist

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    Visual inspection of the caps and the underlying circuit board didn't indicate any problems.

    The results of the Quick Test, which was performed in a PC with a different power supply, suggest problems that are internal to the drive. Unfortunately I'm not adept enough with electronics to try to verify PS performance with DVMs.

    Since yesterday I've had mixed success trying to restart the S3 with the drive installed. Sometimes it finishes the boot, sometimes it stays stuck in "Welcome!". When it does finish the boot, response is slow and infrequently results in the GSOD (Green Screen of Death) that says "Your TiVo receiver has encountered a severe error and is attempting recovery."

    Last night the S3 recovered from the GSOD by itself for whatever reason. I could accecss a number of randomly selected recordings in the "Now Playing List" - at least for a while. All the time I was doing this, the drive made loud clicking noises (as it did during the Quick Test on the PC) and the response was slow.

    Based on the experience with running the Quick Test on the drive using a different PS, I think it's most likely a problem that's internal to the drive.

    Before I trash it though, I'm going to wait for the responses from TiVo and WDC customer support.

    Thanks for your time and input,
     
  7. unitron

    unitron Active Member

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    That drive needs to be copied to another drive right now, 'cause it aint' got long to live.
     
  8. BOMOON

    BOMOON Negative Futurist

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    I have the space for it on a few of my PC HDDs but don't know how to make copies from a non-Windows file system. I'll check the Ultimate Boot CD to see if there's some sort of copy utility there.

    I remember being able to access the S3's web server at one time but there was no efficient way to directly download the files via the LAN. The best I could do was copy individual recorded programs as *.TIVO files, which were highly compressed and unwatchable in HD.

    That was a long time ago though. Are there ways to download S3 recordings via LAN these days?
     
  9. unitron

    unitron Active Member

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    As far as I know there's no way to copy shows any faster than one .tivo file at a time, but the quality shouldn't be any less once the file is copied back to another TiVo.

    I watch television on a television, so I've never paid any attention to how it looked playing on a PC.

    But when I was talking about copying the drive, I meant "Xeroxing" it to another hard drive that would replace it in the TiVo, or at least serve as a place to save the "Xerox" of the drive until you could then "Xerox" it to the replacement drive of your choice.

    Do you have another hard drive around at least as big as the one in the TiVo, and with nothing on it that needs saving?
     
  10. HerronScott

    HerronScott Well-Known Member

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    Alan,

    Not sure what you were using to transfer the shows before but as Unitron mentioned there's no difference in the quality of the .TiVo file when transferred to a PC and either watched there or transferred back to the same or another TiVo via TiVo Desktop or pytivo. Sounds like you were transcoding the file at some how (mobile format perhaps?).

    In terms of making a copy of the drive, you should be able to use the Windows program DvrBARS to make a copy to your PC if you have enough disk space available that could be restored to another hard drive.

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=503261

    Scott
     
  11. ggieseke

    ggieseke Active Member

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    If you use DvrBARS I would recommend using the Modified Full backup mode in your case. That way you'll keep all of your recordings without wasting the disk space to back up unused sectors.

    It will continue if it hits a bad spot, but it pops up an error message message every time and you may have to babysit the process.
     

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