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Series 3 and the MCard?

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by danjw1, Aug 18, 2008.

  1. danjw1

    danjw1 New Member

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    Does the series 3 support using a single mcard with both tuners?

    I am concerned because I am returning my tivo for a warranty replacement and they said they would send me a series 3 instead. I asked if the m-card would work properly, and the csr said yes. But, I was just checking the cable card faq thread and it says it doesn't. Do I need to have Tivo send me an HD so I don't have to pay a monthly few for a second cable card?

    Thanks,

    Dan
     
  2. jrm01

    jrm01 New Member

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    The m-card will work on the S3, but only as a single tuner. Therefore you would need 2.

    However, the S3 may be worth the extra cost for the added benefits (storage, remote, etc.).
     
  3. Gregor

    Gregor Active Member

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    I have an S3 running with 2 M-cards with no problems.
     
  4. ZeoTiVo

    ZeoTiVo I can't explain

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    if it was me - I would ask for another TiVo HD
     
  5. radtechy

    radtechy Member

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    i agree a TiVo HD with one M-Card so you reduce the chance of having the cards not communicating with each other

    one card should elimate that problem
     
  6. rainwater

    rainwater Active Member

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    I wouldn't accept a S3 for a warranty replacement for a TiVo HD. They are just trying to dump the remaining S3 stock they have most likely.
     
  7. Gregor

    Gregor Active Member

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    The cards do not communicate with each other, only back to the head-end of the cable system.
     
  8. TiVoPony

    TiVoPony New Member

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    Dan, I've checked and it's not our policy to replace a TiVo HD with a Series3 product. I believe the call agent was mistaken in what he told you. If you can send me a private message with your case number or contact info we can use that to look into this.

    Thanks!
    Pony
     
  9. HiKent

    HiKent New Member

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    Pony,

    Back to the real question: Is M-Card support in the S3 ever going to arrive? Have you forgotten, or is it technically impossible?

    Here, TWC charges over $200/year for the second S-Card. I would have replaced my S3 long ago with an THD were it not for my lifetime service & the hope you might add support RealSoonNow. The Owner's Manual and the silkscreen on the back indicate it was planned, so maybe it's coming -- just like the Blue LED for network transfers didn't work -- and then one day it did...

    Why not take a page from the Netflix playbook & lay it out. Something like "the chipset doesn't work reliably with SA M-Cards", or "we've been chasing down pixelation & didn't think M-Cards are that big of a deal", or "sorry you're screwed by TWC -- we can transfer lifetime to a THD if that would help", etc.

    Thanks.
     
  10. dig_duggler

    dig_duggler losing enthusiasm

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    We're not going to get an answer, but ditto. My provider can't get my 2nd cc to work in my S3 (after it working for a year and a half) and I honestly don't think it's broken, but they are incompetent. Lifetime on it keeps me from going the Tivo HD route. I still hold out a tiny bit of hope, but bringing new (if you can call it that) features to a discontinued model seems extremely unlikely.
     
  11. jrm01

    jrm01 New Member

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    What! You mean they charge you over $17 per month for a second card in the same device? I hope that you have reported this to the FCC and your local Franchise Authority. I know that the FCC never set any rates for these cards but I would think that rate is excessive and violates the intent of cablecard support.
     
  12. rainwater

    rainwater Active Member

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    In many cases, the 2nd card itself isn't that much. However, they will try to charge you with an outlet fee. So technically, they can get around the guidelines set by the FCC even if they are ripping you off.
     
  13. HiKent

    HiKent New Member

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    That's right: $8/month additional outlet + $6.95 HD fee (per cablecard) + $3.10/month cablecard rental + 8.7% tax/franchise fee = Total: $19.62/mo or $235/year.

    Of course, they aren't currently charging the HD fee (per cablecard). They canceled that last October when they removed *all HD* from cablecard because of SDV (even though only a few of the HD channels are actually SDV, but that's a different thread...)
     
  14. morac

    morac Cat God

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    The page that used to state that they were examining single M-Card support for the S3 is no longer on TiVo's site. Add that to the fact that it's been almost 2 years since the S3 came out and that (new) S3's are no longer for sale and I think it's pretty clear that they've given up supporting a single M-Card in the S3.
     
  15. TiVoPony

    TiVoPony New Member

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    As I explained in April, this is a risky development proposition. I will never say never, because there are very few absolutes (except death and taxes of course). But it's very, very unlikely.

    From earlier this year:
     
  16. HiKent

    HiKent New Member

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    Sorry, I was travelling in April & missed that posting.

    This is very disappointing news. As I say above, the charge here is over $200/year for the second cablecard. It's disappointing to have bought an $800 machine (plus lifetime xfer charge), and after 1 year have TWC move all HD to SDV, then the next year see the $200/year additional charge is for the lifetime of the unit. (Not to mention that TWC has marked almost all the channels CCI=02.) My original S1 was a constant joy I hated to retire. My S3 -- seems more like I was trapped...

    I know it's not all TiVo's fault, but...
     
  17. pkscout

    pkscout Active Member

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    I, for one, will certainly keep this in mind next time I decide whether to support TiVo as an early adopter. The S3 has clear printing on the back that certainly could have left one with the impression that full M-card support was coming. Oh well. I guess I'll wait until the second generation of the Tru2Way TiVo comes out in 2012...
     
  18. Saxion

    Saxion Substantive Member

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    Good grief, that's horrible! I feel for you. And you didn't even include the fee for the truck roll...

    High cost is the main reason I haven't gotten any CableCARDs for my S3, but since TiVo continues to offer woefully inadequate support for clear QAM recording, I'm left with a questionable TiVo experience and certainly not anything I can recommend to my friends and family. For those of us who only want to record clear QAM channels, it's a rock and a hard place.
     
  19. Tommy_D

    Tommy_D New Member

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    Comcast installed one Mcard in my series 3. I asked for two to utilize dual tuner capability but was told that I only needed one. While the Comcast technician was in my home I tested the series 3 and the installer was right!! I am able to record two HD channels with only 1 Mcard.
     
  20. Bierboy

    Bierboy Seasoned gas passer

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    Hmmm....are you positive? From what I've read on these fora, no one has ever been able to record two HD channels with a single M card (and no card in the other slot) in the S3. Is yours is an actual, original S3 (the first HD TiVo released two years ago)? Not the TiVo HD or XL (which are also classified under the Series 3 "umbrella").
     

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