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Series 2 freezes at "Welcome. Powering up..."

Discussion in 'TiVo Help Center' started by rajah, Oct 15, 2012.

  1. rajah

    rajah New Member

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    I have checked the hard drive in a PC. Both the WD Quick and Extended tests passed.
    The other morning with the room at 59 I turned the TV on. It was OK until I changed the channel. The screen froze. I unplugged the Tivo and I can't get past the welcome. I tried to run Kickstarts but I can't get there when I follow directions at weaknees.com.
    The fan and HD are running.
    I'm a a loss.
     
  2. steve614

    steve614 what ru lookin at?

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    Even though the fan and hard drive seem to be running, you could still have a power supply problem.

    Have you opened the Tivo to take a look?
     
  3. rajah

    rajah New Member

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    I have had the HD out and tested on a PC. It and the fan are definitely running.
    I can't see anything wrong in there.
     
  4. jrtroo

    jrtroo User

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    Sounds like a PS issue. Drive tested ok by WD test and fan is spinning, it is next on the testing order.

    You were looking for bad caps? Do you have an external drive plugged in?
     
  5. rajah

    rajah New Member

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    No external drive. I didn't know it was supported. Or is that a hack?
    No visibly bad caps.
     
  6. steve614

    steve614 what ru lookin at?

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    Does the PC you used to check the hard drive have a Gigabyte brand motherboard?

    Do you have any hard drives laying around that you can use for testing?
    It needs to be as big or bigger than the hard drive that is in your Tivo.
     
  7. lillevig

    lillevig Hot in West Texas

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    Sometimes the hard drive tests ok but the SW on it has gotten messed up. If you don't mind too much losing whatever is recorded on it you can just try reimaging the drive. I've done that and "fixed" supposedly bad drives on S2 boxes I've bought. If you know the model number I can probably PM you a link to an image for it. You will need either WinMFS or MFSLive and a USB to IDE/SATA adapter cable to do the imaging.
     
  8. rajah

    rajah New Member

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    The model number is TCD240080. I can download WinMFS. I have a USB/IDE frame and several spare IDE drives. Why can't I just hang the new drive on the IDE bus for the build?
     
  9. lillevig

    lillevig Hot in West Texas

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    If you have a PC with an IDE bus, then you can open the box and connect the drive that way. I don't have a PC with an IDE bus so the USB cable is neccesary and just makes life easier even for those who do have a PC with an IDE bus.
     
  10. unitron

    unitron Active Member

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    Install WinMFS on the computer.

    Use it to check the drive from that S2. (you'll need to be running XP or later as administrator)

    See if it will let you select that drive and if it will, click on mfsinfo and see what that reports.

    If that computer has a GigaByte brand motherboard, we need to talk further before you connect the TiVo drive to the motherboard.
     
  11. rajah

    rajah New Member

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    I have the drive connected via USB and MFS lets me select it. It is shown as 8. I'm looking at Msinfo. What should I be looking for?
    rajah
     
  12. unitron

    unitron Active Member

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    I have no idea what is meant by that 8 thing.

    Do you already have a spare drive with an LBA number equal to or greater than 160086528?

    That's slightly larger than the LBA number for an 80GB Western Digital or Seagate IDE drive from back then, 'cause TiVo used some Maxtors that were fatter than industry standard.

    I've got an image for a 240080 in the "need an image, don't PM me" thread, search the thread for 240080 to find the post with the DropBox link.

    But it was made from the Maxtor, so it expects to go back onto that LBA number I mentioned.

    Just in case you want to try saving recordings on the current drive, if mfsinfo is giving lots of figures and no complaining, look to see if it says the drive is booting from partitions 2, 3, and 4, or from 5, 6, and 7.

    If it's 234, click on boot fix and select option 2.

    If it's 567, click on option 1.

    This will set the drive up to boot from whichever set it's not using now, as well as refresh the drive's bootpage, which may be enough to get it to work again, at least for a while, and you can use mfscopy to copy it all to another drive the same size or larger.
     
  13. rajah

    rajah New Member

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    I have copied a 240080 image to a 250GB drive I had in a USB/IDE frame. It gives the same result. Actually I get the same result with the HD disconnected. I may connect the 80GB driive to the PC again and try the previous suggestion. The Misinfo looked pretty much the same on the new drive except one more partition.
     
  14. unitron

    unitron Active Member

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    Should be the same number of partitions (13), unless you said yes when asked if you wanted to expand, in which case it should have added an MFS pair, resulting in 15 partitions.
     

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