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Series 2 digital to analog converter

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by Clownpleco, Mar 11, 2008.

  1. Clownpleco

    Clownpleco New Member

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    I know that I'm probably one of very few people that still use rabbit ears, but I do. In 2009, I plan on using a digital to analog converter. Will my series 2 recognize the the new channels (i.e., 13-1, 13-2)?
     
  2. DrewTivo

    DrewTivo Member

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    Aren't these analog converters basically like a cable box so that you will tune your channels using it, not the television itself? If so, then your tivo will be set to channel 3 and you'll have to use an IR blaster to change the channels that the box will recognize.

    ETA: So to answer your question directly: No. Your tivo tuner will be useless for over the air reception. You will have to supply a signal to it using the D-A converter.
     
  3. ciper

    ciper New Member

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    It is technically possible. There is nothing stopping this from working except Tivo themselves. Tivo could "easily" add this support but unfortunately I think they would rather force us all to buy new hardware (tivo hd). Tivo themselves said the expected lifespan of a unit was originalyl 48 months. If you take into consideration the software release schedule then I wouldnt expect Tivo to make any updates/fixes to units over 3 years old.

    Tivo could learn alot from Microsoft - http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/zune/fir...is-is-how-you-treat-your-customers-306422.php
     
  4. scandia101

    scandia101 Just the facts ma'am

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    That's the funniest thing I've read in a while.
    There's no reason to expect Tivo to abandon the majority of it's subscribers.
     
  5. scandia101

    scandia101 Just the facts ma'am

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    That all depends on how the box would be connected to the TiVo.
     
  6. magnus

    magnus Tivo User

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    I have faith that Tivo will support at least one of the boxes with or without an upgrade. I have a feeling that they are just taking a wait and see approach.


     
  7. ciper

    ciper New Member

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    Not abandon, more like coerce them to buy new hardware. They've done it before. Why weren't folders added to the S1 when the S2 was in development/released? Forum members figured out how to do it so it can't be that hard...
    There is a thread on here with a quote directly from Tivo that said the expected lifetime for the Tivo hardware was 48 months and they recently adjusted the figures to 54 months.
     
  8. DrewTivo

    DrewTivo Member

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    True. Or line in. Or channel 4. And probably something I'm forgetting.

    I'm not sure how Tivo would make its existing units backwards compatible. These units are designed to receive HD signals and convert them to analog. The existing series 2 units are not designed to take HD signals.

    As for whether Tivo would bother with an update -- why? I suspect the OP is the rare Tivo customer who uses solely OTA signals for non-HD reception. Sure, they exist, but it's not a big customer base and also, I suspect, not one that is among the more aggressive at upgrading and demanding features.
     
  9. DrewTivo

    DrewTivo Member

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    That has to do with their accounting practices, not their support for units.

    Keep in mind that the substantial majority of Tivo S2 users will see no change come Feb. 2009. They will still have their Tivo plugged into their cable TV and proceed as before. The *only* people affected in Feb. 2009 are folks like the OP, who use an antenna for OTA television.
     
  10. scandia101

    scandia101 Just the facts ma'am

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    Correct, they aren't designed to take HD signals and they never will. That's why we're discussing the need for boxes that do take digital (not necessarily HD) signals and convert them to analog and then send that analog signal to the Tivo. The very first Tivo ever put on the market was capable of receiving the signal from such a converter box. What Tivo lacks, are the IR codes needed to change the channel on the converter boxes.

    Why would tivo offer such a simple update? because tivo has yet to abandon any of it's users. They even accommodate Tivo users that don't pay for a subscription on their old S1 tivos so there's no reason to expect them to ignore paying customer's needs.
     
  11. alyssa

    alyssa Active Member

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    I suspect there are many more OTA S2 customers out there who haven't figured out there will be a problem yet.

    To sum up;

    IR blaster codes are required for the s2 tivo unit to talk to the converter box

    No IR codes have been developed yet

    with a converter box & an S2
    If a person has a analog teevee -no issues

    If a person has a digital teevee- poor quality


    Are these four points correct?
     
  12. classicsat

    classicsat Astute User

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    You are confusing OTA Digital with HD. The "convertor" boxes will downconvert the HD to SD,a s you said.

    The Series 1/2 TiVo hardware is fully capable of working with the OTA tuner boxes, it is just that adjustments to the software need to be made to accommodate setup of "Antenna with box", and the xx-x guide data and channel changing.

    That is the big question TiVo corporate is pondering.
     
  13. classicsat

    classicsat Astute User

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    Get off it. You know Series 1 development is dead. Stop complaining about it. If you want the 3rd party hacks, do them yourself. If you want new features from TiVo, get the new hardware.
     
  14. classicsat

    classicsat Astute User

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    Well, it depends on the TiVo, but generally, yes, the "convertor" (a tuner actually) works conceptually like a cable box, in that it connects between the antenna and your TV or video recorder, and you select the channel on the "convertor", instead of the TV or recorder's built in tuner.

    The thing is though, that Series 1/2 TiVos currently don't directly support digital OTA boxes or guide data.

    The device is not a D-A converter, strictly speaking, although it will contain a couple D-A convertors in its circuitry. It is a Digital TV tuner, which as stated, is conceptually little different than a cable box which outputs one channel at a time, selected by its remote.
     
  15. Martin Tupper

    Martin Tupper Pontiff Emeritus

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    Why doesn't TiVo just private-label a "TiVo-branded" digital OTA converter box? Or at the very least, strike a deal with one STB manufacturer, like they did with eSata drives for the TiVoHD. That way they only have to support one set of codes and they can generate some revenue in the process.

    Heck, if it qualified for the government voucher, Series 2 users that don't "need" a converter box would probably still "buy" the TiVo converter box just to have it.
     
  16. satmaster

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    All they have to do is to include the remote codes for those boxes. they would be controled just like a cable box. A simple IR database update can be done right now to support it.


    The only problem comes in on people like me with a satellite dish I have DISH controled by remote codes on the video input and the antenna on the RF in.

    The RF in will now need to come from the HD convertor box out ch 3 and the Tivo will have to be able to control 2 sets of IR codes one for Dish on the Video in and another for the convertor on the RF in.

    This will require a small software upgrade to add dual IR code support.


    Tivo needs to add this right now. This is a URGENT needed update.
     
  17. satmaster

    satmaster Member

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    Your wrong many customers use a dish but require a Antenna to get networks since they can not get them on a dish.

    Even people who qualify for networks over the dish may be using an antenna since it cost less than paying for networks.
     
  18. satmaster

    satmaster Member

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    If Tivo stops supporting series 2 I will downgrade to basic and build my own DVR. I am not getting a series 3 Since Dish doesnt give you HD unless you pay more its not worth it. Over the air HD really is not worth recording with all the dropouts we are getting in rual areas SD is just fine.


    I am waiting to see what the new Echostar after it seperates from Dish network is going to sell in its OTA DVRs

    Sounds like it will be a TiVo like unit that doesnt require a dish subscription? Waiting to see.
     
  19. Martin Tupper

    Martin Tupper Pontiff Emeritus

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    1. A Series 3 TiVo won't work with Dish at all.
    2. If OTA HD isn't worth recording, why do you care what Echostar's OTA DVR looks like?
     
  20. swkenney

    swkenney Custom User Title

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    For Seires2 DT they should make a dual tuner box with channel 3 and 4 output. One of the outputs could instead go to s-video to get the better quality input to TiVo

    TiVo could have a record option to use S-video first if available for shows that you choose.

    If TiVo stays with controlling only only one external box, then someone could make a box that would have an output channel frequency change to match that of the requested channel as it is right now. I doubt this will happen, though.
     

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