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"Senior vs. Junior: American Chopper" (spoilers)

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by gastrof, Aug 12, 2010.

  1. Nov 7, 2012 #921 of 995
    snowjay

    snowjay 40mph couch potato

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    They had a concept drawing for the sport bike, but no real "designs". I could of drawn a generic looking bike on napkin and it would of been as helpful.
     
  2. Nov 7, 2012 #922 of 995
    bareyb

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    Jason's letting his ego get in the way. He's also doing what he thinks Senior wants. For YEARS it was fair game to case on Paulie and Jason just hasn't gotten the memo yet. I think Senior still kind of likes it when people bash PJ anyway... There hasn't been THAT much healing... I can certainly see they still push the same buttons on each other. ;)

    Did I mention that this whole Production Bike is a monumental mistake? Talk about not learning from one's mistakes... :D
     
  3. Nov 7, 2012 #923 of 995
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    They are doing another live build off on December 10-11. Sr., Jr., Jesse James, and two guys from Fast & Loud.
     
  4. Nov 7, 2012 #924 of 995
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    We'll never know how much of the show is scripted but here's one example of what I think was scripted.

    In this last episode, JR was supposed to go out to the playground company to finalize the building of the themed palyground. But JR couldn't make it so he asked Mikey to go instead which he agreed to do. So Mikey gets there and all he does was help put the thing together. ANYONE (I repeat - ANYONE) could have done that. It was strictly a manual labor job and required no knowledge of the theme background or mechanics. In fact Mikey complained to the camera that he didn't think he would have to do so much manual labor!

    So why on earth did anyone from PJD have to go out for that final build. Certainly they should be there for the playground convention but Mikey going there (or JR, if he had gone) was strictly for the show which means it was scripted!!

    As far as the production bike I've said all along that it was a dumb idea and could seriously derail the rebuilt personal relationship between JR and SR. And what's also puzzling is they keep talking about a new company to build the production bike. WHY??!! Companies have done joint ventures in the past without making a new company so why bother to do that. Just do the joint project and if sucsessful then do another. If not then move on.

    Gerry
     
  5. Nov 7, 2012 #925 of 995
    snowjay

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    I think SR is the only one saying something about a new company, I don't think JR has ever said that and even Rachel said "designed by PJD, built by OCC".
     
  6. Nov 7, 2012 #926 of 995
    inaka

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    I totally see what you're saying. Very possible. However, one thing could have been that PJD never got to see the final product and since it was such a new venture for them, perhaps Jr. wanted to see this before the unveil to make sure it would work for his brand/business. Since he couldn't make it himself, he would send Mikey and then Mikey could relay back to him, "Hey man, this thing is a piece of crap. You really need to talk to these guys. You don't want your brand to be a part of this." etc. is that were the case. Meaning, Jr. would need someone he trusted to check out the design and implementation, and so he trusted Mikey with that responsibility.

    That said, I fully agree about the production bike. What a horrible idea on so many levels. Yeah, i heard that reference about building a new company for this. They likely did this to shield themselves from liability. If they build a piece of crap, or if someone dies due to the build quality or design, they'll have that new LLC responsible for any liability and if they get sued, OCC and PJD are safe, and they could sue this new entity into oblivion/bankruptcy and it wouldn't really change their core businesses. It's a smart business move in general, and a completely STUPID idea for these two guys in particular. They should never do business again. Ever. Just realize that business isn't their thing and they need to focus on hanging out, BBQs with their wives, bingo, fishing, ANYTHING but business.
     
  7. inaka

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    There was a scene in last night's show that was 100% scripted to me, or at the very least, a pre-planned fake conversation, where Senior is given talking points to hit.

    They showed Senior on the phone making a call to the Executive Producer (who just happens to have a camera on him LOL) and then Senior comes up with some conversation saying HE wants to have another bike build-off, because he's been thinking about the vehicle they built last time, and now they're ready to build a bike. The Executive Producer acts like this is the first time the build off idea has been proposed, even faking an entire, "Hey, you know what else might be a good idea, we could ask the guys from Fast & Loud if they want to do it." Then he goes on to say that the Executive Producer needs to first ask Jr., then call Discovery, etc.

    Total b.s.!

    You know that Discovery had this entire event pre-planned months ago, and they use it like History Channel does with Pawn Stars/American Pickers/American Restoration to cross-pollinate their shows, and create a new hit with Fast & Loud, etc. This build-off wasn't Senior's idea and it sure as heck didn't happen over that phone conversation like they showed. :thumbsdown:
     
  8. nataylor

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    I could see the build-off idea coming from Senior. He probably thinks they can win, too.

    But yes, of course that segment was planned ahead of time. Just think of it as self-promoting product placement for Discovery.
     
  9. Malcontent

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    A similar scene happened on this weeks episode of Jesse James show. Producer calls Jesse and tells him that Sr. wants to do another build off.

    Spoiler from the latest episode of the Jesse James show (11-12-12):

    Jesse builds a hot rod for Paul Sr. Seniors identity was kept a secret for awhile.
     
  10. windracer

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    I enjoyed the trash-talking between the Fast & Loud guys, Jesse, and the rest. Although as usual Jason is too over-the-top.

    The production bike is doomed to fail ... I can't see this working out for either OCC or PJD. Vinnie is right to stay away ...
     
  11. EvilMidniteBombr

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    What's the over/under on the number of episodes before Jr & Sr are yelling at each other again?
     
  12. bareyb

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    Agreed. I hope they figure that out sooner than later and scrap the whole idea... Of course that would mean possibly giving up a few $$$ so....

    I'll go with "1". I bet by the next episode they are either at each other's throats again, or they call off the whole idea. Wouldn't it be refreshing if that happened? That they put their relationship above the show? :D
     
  13. Gerryex

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    Didn't JR already say at the end of the last episode that he was getting some bad feelings about the interaction so far and is having second thoughts about it. If he's smart he should call SR and tell him that he doesn't want to jeopardize the personal relationship they were just rebuilding and just kill the joint production bike. End of story!

    Gerry
     
  14. snowjay

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    I think JR will probably pull the plug on the idea. If they don't scratch the idea, the biggest difference right now is the frame, hard or soft tail. IMHO, they should build the same bike with both frames. Sure not everything will be the same but it would allow each of them to have some say in the design.

    When I first heard about the production bike I thought they would just manufacture the one they built themselves with a few minor tweaks... I don't understand why they want to start from scratch.
     
  15. bareyb

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    The whole thing is money driven and if there's one thing that can destroy a family it's $$$. The last thing these two need is to work together again. Especially in the same exact way they did it before! I think if Jr. really had done design at his shop and Senior did the fab at his, it may have had a chance... The way it's turning out is something completely different and very familiar. I don't think they know any other way.
     
  16. snowjay

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    Paul Jr just tweeted:

     
  17. innocentfreak

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    The build-off show is supposed to be the series finale.
     
  18. nataylor

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    Huh. Can't image this is what Junior or Senior want as the show is a huge bit of free publicity.
     
  19. bareyb

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    You can bet your life they don't want this. I mean, let's get real. If it weren't for the show, neither of them would have a business. At least not the business they have now. I've always said, once the show is off the air, that will mark the end of OCC the company.

    Senior will end up selling the rights to the name at some point I'll bet. PJD? It sounds like he's hinting at getting another show of his own, but it's hard to say. If there is no new show for Paulie, then he's gonna have about as much success as Vinnie has had with VForce. Which is to say, not much.
     
  20. Test

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    Didn't this show end before only to be brought back on a different channel with a slightly different name?
     

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