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Season Passes retained?

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by jfh3, Jun 14, 2006.

  1. jfh3

    jfh3 New Member

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    I just upgraded the harddrive in a DT, got 7.3 again and noticed something really strange - the season passes I had set on the old hard drive showed up on the new one not too long after I connected to the Tivo service.

    I wasn't really paying attention until I was setting them up again and noticed that one of the ones I needed to do was already done. I knew this because I had a number of SP where the quality setting was at Basic before the upgrade and I was going to increase it.

    I hope someone else has seen this and I'm not losing my mind (yes, I made sure I had installed the upgraded hard drive in the box!)

    The Tivo also "remembered" my GuruGuide, Product Watch and Yahoo signin info selections, but that didn't surprise me, since I figured those were downloaded during the service connection.

    Has anyone else seen this? People have been wanting a way to save/move SPs - maybe we already have it and don't know.

    I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone ...
     
  2. windracer

    windracer joined the 10k club

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    How did you make the backup image you used to put on the new drive? When you upgraded the drive, did you use the -f 9999 flag for mfstools? That would save all of your configuration information (SPs, WLs, etc.) in the backup image, which would then be restored to the new drive.

    Having that online backup would be cool though ...
     
  3. jfh3

    jfh3 New Member

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    There was no backup.

    The drive was formatted by someone else with a 7.2.5 image on it - no backup from my original drive! (And no way he would've had the EXACT same season pass info, since he's a few states away).
     
  4. rsnaider

    rsnaider Active Member

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    If this drive did not come from you box will need to run Clear and Delete Everything or you will have recording issues.
     
  5. jfh3

    jfh3 New Member

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    How so? The drive was formatted for a clean install, much like pvrupgrade or weaknees would do. After the drive was installed, I had to go through setup again.
     
  6. TiVoPony

    TiVoPony New Member

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    Wow, that didn't take long.

    No 'Twilight Zone', just a bit of TiVo Magic. ;)

    Both Guru Guides and the new KidZone Guides feature in KidZone require that you modify your account settings to allow the service to have access to what is scheduled on your DVR (that's how we can resolve conflicts, place priority, etc automatically with the new Guides).

    If you replace the hard drive on your box...well, the service sees that things are out of sync and automagically fixes that. All of the missing Season Passes, Wishlists, and Guru/KidZone Guides are automatically repopulated.

    It's not a documented feature, nor a supported feature. So don't call Customer Support about it. They won't be able to help you. It's just a side benefit of having signed up for the new Guru/KidZone Guide Features.

    Note that it's all tied to your TSN...so if you RMA a box, this likely won't have any benefit for you (the replacement would have a different TSN).

    But if you're the adventurous type that likes to tinker with things (and I can't endorse opening the box)...it's a perk.

    Selling your box? If you Clear and Delete Everything the TiVo Service will know it shouldn't sync the old stuff to the new drive. ;)

    Enjoy!

    Pony
     
  7. Jonathan_S

    Jonathan_S Active Member

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    That's pretty cool.

    (Oh, and thanks for letting the original poster (and us) what was actually happening before everyone here started trying to explain that it was impossible and he must be mistaken :D)

    Edit: I wonder how long until this generates a new round of misleading / incorrect "TiVo spies on you" articles.
     
  8. jfh3

    jfh3 New Member

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    Very, very cool ! :up: :up: :up:

    Glad to hear it was Tivo Magic! When I finally realized what was going on, it was kind of a spooky feeling ... :)

    (And the Tivo Tour videos came with the image too!)


    Just out of curiousity - what happens if you opt out on the privacy stuff? Would the new GuruGuide and/or KidZone guides not work?
     
  9. jfh3

    jfh3 New Member

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    Hey, I knew it was "impossible" - that's why I almost didn't post. :)

    I was thinking that the Tivo really was "TV my way" and that it had learned to read my mind ...
     
  10. TiVoPony

    TiVoPony New Member

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    If you change your privacy setting back you won't be able to use Guru Guides or the KidZone Guides (although the rest of the KidZone features would still work).

    The service needs to be aware of what is on the box in order to use those features. And...any personal information is used for provisioning these services to your box. It's not used for any other purposes, nefarious or otherwise.

    So...you have to opt in and change your account settings to use these features. By doing so you're agreeing to allow the service to be aware of what is scheduled on your DVR. And there are a number of new features that are enabled as a result, some official, and in this case, one unofficial. ;)

    But if you'd rather not change your account settings...don't! It's no problem...your TiVo DVR will continue to function just as before.

    Cheers,
    Pony
     
  11. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    Now that's cool! :up:

    So how long before we can transfer SPs & WLs to a new TiVo? That would make it a lot easier on people who want to upgrade to a DT or a S3.

    Dan
     
  12. ZeoTiVo

    ZeoTiVo I can't explain

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    man, you can unleash a bucket of live bugs direct into my house with (un)official features like that coming out :up: :up: :up:
     
  13. rainwater

    rainwater Active Member

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    They already did! :)
     
  14. segaily

    segaily New Member

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    Hmm I wonder if this could someday lead to a cooperative scheduling feature.
     
  15. dkroboth

    dkroboth New Member

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    I tried to see if any additional info was availible from the https interface for this, but no luck. Maybe there or somewhere else?
     
  16. megazone

    megazone Hardcore TiVo Geek

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    Excellent move in the right direction!

    Now that TiVo has the data on their servers, how long until we see this integrated into Tivo Central Online - being able to see all your SPs, WLs, etc. Seeing which shows in the schedule are already set to record, changing them, resolving conflicts, etc. Possible to do quite a rich interface with AJAX, more than on the unit itself. :)

    Being able to deliberately 'back-up' and 'restore' settings would be the next step from today I think, and it would make it more enticing to upgrade to new units. Backup the old unit, restore on the new unit. Presto!

    Just having the data on the servers opens up a lot of potential! Yay! :)
     
  17. rainwater

    rainwater Active Member

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    Even before Guru Guides it was very easy to setup your Season Passes using TCO. Only wishlists weren't able to be setup using this method. Like TivoPony said this is tied to the TSN so you can't using it for transfering your data. So TCO is still the quickest way. Now if we could only setup wishlists using TCO :)
     
  18. bpurcell

    bpurcell TMBG Fan

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    Setting up, sure, but maintaining and revising would be a big step in the right direction if they made that type of upgrade.

    And since they have a copy of your SP's and WL's, then it's not that huge of a leap for transfering them to another TSN (well maybe code-wise it's a big leap).
     
  19. rainwater

    rainwater Active Member

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    Except I don't see them adding a feature to transfer the data. While I few people here might use such a feature, the general public would have little use to transfer SP and WL data. I would think managing your season passes online would be nice but it could be difficult to manage conflicts.
     
  20. megazone

    megazone Hardcore TiVo Geek

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    Make it easier to upgrade to the S2DT, S3, etc, and more people will. One of the major drags to upgrading is having to set up the new system - and losing all your thumbs data, etc. You have a TiVo for years, it learns well - then you're back to scratch. Very frustrating.
     

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