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SDV FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bdraw, Jul 3, 2007.

  1. MichaelK

    MichaelK New Member

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    NCTA June 26,2006 status report to the FCC found here:
    http://www.ncta.com/DocumentBinary.aspx?id=457

    At BEST the M-cards showed up on July 1, 2007 (had a few minutes to find the filing but not enough to scour the boards here for posts of people looking for cards after July1, 2007 which I think was common?) That IMHO is more then a "few months" from June 26, 2006.

    I know there are frequently debates about what few and serveral mean, but I would guess most people think a year is more then a few months.
     
  2. mikeyts

    mikeyts Stream Warrior

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    So? It was an estimate, and in the meantime they decided that they didn't really want to deploy M-Cards at all, preferring to to wait for DCAS, which they filed for and were denied. Stuff happens.

    The point is that they had little motive to introduce M-Cards before the deadline. The FCC had no requirement that they introduce them, ever, just that they stop buying boxes to lease that didn't use some kind of separable security, M-Card being their best available alternative.

    The Tuning Resolver, on the other hand, is something that they suggested as a solution of their own accord, which they're trying to present to the FCC as a fait accompli trump-card to CE's suggested DCR+ scheme. They have every incentive to get it out on time and depending upon how many resources they allocated to it, they've given themselves plenty of time.
     
  3. MichaelK

    MichaelK New Member

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    So the first "estimate" in a regulatory filing has less validity then some press release? The PR machine's spin holds more water then a filing to the federal government in your mind?

    Second- the FCC does NOTHING fast in regards to cable and open access. - the law was passed over 10 years ago and the FCC gave cable delay after delay after delay. Didn't they get 2 years total delays on the July 2007 deadline for cable cards becasue they kept saying OCAP and/or downloadable security was the solution they were just about to get to time and again?

    they've presented OCAP and downloadable security as the end all solution and gotten extension after extension to make those work so whats to stop them from doing something similar with the tuning resolver.

    I dont think it's going to be years or anything but I dont trust the NCTA one bit to tell the truth about a date for the tuning resolver. So the folks guessing about year end for moto and some time after that for SA dont sound off the wall to me.

    Just my 2 cents.

    Luckily for me- so far my provider is SDV free. They have been purchased by comcast but we have Moto hardware around hear so I hope that by the time the borg take over and push sdv on the system that the tuning resolver is availible.
     
  4. MichaelK

    MichaelK New Member

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    also want to throw out the only real reason the FCC cared about M-cards and made cable report on the progress was becasue tivo complained a bunch that 2 s-cards was such apain for a competing DVR. Now a primary reason for the tuning resolver is tivo's complaining about sdv too - there are others but tivo was probably one of the loudest- well now tivo is trying to play nice with them so I dont know that there is any major force from the fcc to do ANYTHING. COuld be I suppose but i really doubt it from the FCC at this point. They are too busy blocking the Sirius XM merger to care about SDV....
     
  5. tgirard

    tgirard New Member

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    I got this list from a TWC tech today. These are SDV channels for the Albany, NY area:

    /edit - sorry... this list is current as of 2/20/2008

    Code:
    Channel(s) Handled By SDV (86)
    
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    20 (WYPX)
    110 Disney East
    215 Discovery Health
    375 (EWTN)
    434 Turner Classic Movies
    551 (Fox Business News)
    570 CSPAN
    575 CSPAN2
    **675 (NHL)
    677 (NBATV)
    708 (HBO West)
    709 (HBO2 West)
    710 (HBO Signature West)
    711 (HBO Family West)
    712 (HBO Comedy West)
    713 (HBO Zone West)
    714 (HBO Latino West)
    725 (Cinemax West)	 726 (More MAX West)
    727 (Action MAX West)
    728 (Thriller Max West)
    747 (Showtime 2 West)
    748 (Showtime 3 West)
    749 (Showtime Extreme West)
    750 (Showtime Beyond West)
    754 (Showtime Next West)
    755 (Showtime Family Zone West)
    756 (Showtime Women West)
    763 (TMC West)
    764 (TWC Extra West)
    776 Starz West
    777 Starz Cinema West
    788 Encore West
    901 Univision
    1107 TWTV7
    1109 QVC
    1115 Home Shopping Network	 1120 ShopNBC
    1823 Weather Channel HD
    1839 History Channel HD
    1841 HGTV HD
    1842 Food HD
    1851 Fox Business News HD
    1846 CNN Channel HD
    1864 Lifetime Movie Network HD
    1873 Versus/Golf Channel HD
    ** 1874 Outdoor Channel
    ** 1875 (NHL HD)
    1876 National Geographic Channel HD
    1890 Starz East HD
    1981 Starz West HD
    1910-1919 NBA League Pass
    1930 thru 1943 NHL/MLB services
    1950-1956 ESPN Game Plan
     
  6. Audiodynamics

    Audiodynamics New Member

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    I have both an S3 Lifetime and a THD. I know this has been covered before, but is the "Tuning Resolver" needed for both HD TiVo types or just the S3?

    In other words, does the THD have the updated hardware required to allow 2-Way Communication?

    I for one would like to see M-Card's dual stream capability implemented on the S3. Comcast CT is whacking me for 2 Addl. Outlet fees for the S3. Should I call and ***** about this?
     
  7. tgirard

    tgirard New Member

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    You'll still need a tuning resolver/dongle/box/whatever. The THD (like the S3) does not do 2-way comm back to the headend.
     
  8. Audiodynamics

    Audiodynamics New Member

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    Thanks! That's what I thought.
     
  9. FoxFireX

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    Well, I just finished an interesting phone conversation. I had emailed a couple of addresses at my cable provider blindly, just to make my own impassioned plea (don't take away any more channels! *sniff*) and got a call back from it to discuss. I don't think there was anything earth-shattering that he told me, but I did pick up a couple of at least mildly interesting nuggets from the conversation. One is that they're slightly renaming the device -- it's now to be called the "Tuning Adapter". That's "adapter" with an "E" not "adaptor" with an "O". This was apparently a very big issue that required a lot of discussion with very powerful people to reach a consensus regarding.

    Also, he said the planned release date for this is the end of 2Q, 2008, "probably this summer". I asked the question (just to be sure) that we were talking calendar year, not fiscal, and he said that would make the most sense, since it involves lots of companies with presumably lots of fiscal years, so if things hold to their current plans, we'd be expecting availability in June.

    Final bit is that his understanding is that the housing will be based on the set top box, rather than being a cable modem footprint. He also mentioned that the old "dongle" term made him think thumb drive, but that it wouldn't be that at all.

    I know a lot of this is covered ground in the thread already, but it's kind of nice to hear the same story from a cable rep. I also know that I haven't provided any names or backup information, so please feel free to take it all with a grain of salt, or to take it not at all. I just hadn't asked whether it would be okay to post any of this, so I'd rather not be more specific just in the very unlikely circumstance that I shouldn't have repeated something. Not that there's anything particularly suspect there, but whatever. :) Feel free to dismiss if you wish, or take it for what it's meant to be: Confirmation that at least someone in cable-land is on the same general page as we are about when/how this is going to happen.
     
  10. logicman1

    logicman1 New Member

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    :D - I'm guessing the powerful people are attorneys afraid that the name Tuning Resolver might somehow leave their companies open to legal action by customers in some obscure way.
     
  11. Breadfan

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    I've just been bitten by the dreaded SDV here in Fort Smith, Arkansas. Cox just added several new HD channels and I get none of them. I called to complain and was just told that without 2-way communication the cable cards just cannot get the new channels.

    I'm pretty angry but the benefits I get from having TiVo outweigh having the extra HD channels.
    That being said, if they had added the channels before I bought the TiVo a couple of months ago AND I had known about the whole SDV thing I probably would have stayed with the cable DVR until it was resolved.
     
  12. SCSIRAID

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  13. FoxFireX

    FoxFireX New Member

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    Time Warner, and I believe we're running SA equipment.
     
  14. SCSIRAID

    SCSIRAID Active Member

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    Excellent... me too... I believe this is the first mention of the tuning resolver errr... tuning 'adapter' and a potential date from anyone at a cableco using SA equipment. Maybe there is hope....
     
  15. Breadfan

    Breadfan New Member

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    I sent an e-mail to Cox the other day to complain about this and the girl who responded said she understood my frustration because she had the same thing happen to her. Actually she said she had been assured that the cable card would work the same as a box and then found out differently later.
     
  16. Big Rick

    Big Rick New Member

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    Would you mind either setting your "Location:" setting, or mentioning your location in your postings? There is very little useful information if you don't let us know who your provider is and what community you're in.

    Thank you.
     
  17. FoxFireX

    FoxFireX New Member

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    Location updated and provider mentioned upthread. I know I didn't give a lot of details, but it's mostly because I didn't have a whole lot to give. There were a couple of bits that were specific to my area, but I tried to only bother mentioning things that were more generally applicable.
     
  18. Mar 5, 2008 #1098 of 2401
    Eccles

    Eccles Mostly harmless

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    Can someone please clarify whether SDV completely screws CableCard devices, or only partially. By that I mean, will an HD TiVo in Austin never be able to receive any channels which are switched, or would it only be able to receive them if they were currently being served up (i.e. had been recently requested by a two-way device on the same hub)?

    The reason I ask is that I'm wondering if it might be possible to kludge together a kind of ersatz "resolver" - actually more of a "reserver" - using an S2 TiVo and a non-DVR STB on the same cable drop as an HD TiVo, with the S2 set to record a minute or so of each of the limited number of channels that a household actually watches, on a rotating basis, thus keeping all of them actively served up at all times. Would an HD TiVo then be able to find them via Guided Setup, and be able to tune them back in in those same carriers when they were needed?
     
  19. Mar 5, 2008 #1099 of 2401
    ah30k

    ah30k Active Member

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    Eccles, You will never (edit - see two posts down) be able to tune them even if they are currently on. See the thread on Brighthouse, FL which already removed the channels from the CableCARD channel map in preparation for going SDV. They can't get the channels now and they aren't even switched yet.
     
  20. Mar 5, 2008 #1100 of 2401
    Eccles

    Eccles Mostly harmless

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    Bummer, and here I was hoping to stick it to the man. :(
     

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