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SDV FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bdraw, Jul 3, 2007.

  1. Jul 17, 2007 #61 of 2401
    bdraw

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    Here is a link from the first post.
    http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6454447.html

    Obviously anything can change, but lets not pretend they don't have a plan and they aren't going to try it. At this point, there is no reason to be a chicken little.
     
  2. Jul 17, 2007 #62 of 2401
    bdraw

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    By planning I mean, to engineer the software that could do it in less than a second. I assume it would take a pretty complex data warehouse application that can accurately and efficiently analyze the real time requirements of hundreds of channels and switch them.
     
  3. Jul 17, 2007 #63 of 2401
    vstone

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    I watch PBS. Plus, the FCC may require them to be in an unswitched basic tier along with CW (UPN + WB) and Pax (which is now I or something).

    Unrelated to the above: Viewing patterns now change in the summer: major networks largely in reruns, A&E, FX, TNT, TBS, Food Network, etc. showing new shows to take advantage of reruns.
     
  4. Jul 17, 2007 #64 of 2401
    vstone

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    Without knowing anything about the equipment, its possible that switching or unswitching a particular channel may cost the same. I think it's unlikely, but possible.
     
  5. Jul 17, 2007 #65 of 2401
    vstone

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    So we don't squawk about SDV until its too late.

    "why would they lie to the media" - wouldn't be the first time!

    How much attention do you think non-cable media or even the FCC and Congress are paying to this? Do you think anyone in the local franchise authority(usually city/county govrenement) is even considering this?
     
  6. Jul 17, 2007 #66 of 2401
    snowbunny

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    Please note that many of the upper-tier digital channels are mapped onto their analog counterparts. This results in watching an inferior analog channel and defeats the purpose of having a digital TV.

    The rest are truly switched digital channels with no existing analog channel to map onto; you simply cannot receive these channels.

    I hope this list is long enough to motivate those of you in Time Warner markets to protest NOW over the increased use of SDV in your Area.

    Time Warner Austin-area SDV use:

    24 / 270 QVC (digital channel mapped onto analog)
    25 / 273 HSN
    27 / 215 Oxygen
    28 / 213 WE
    29 / 217 Soap
    30 / 545 E!
    33 / 258 Travel
    36 / 234 Animal Planet
    37 / 160 ABC Family
    38 / 170 ION
    39 / 180 Hallmark
    40 / 520 TVLand
    41 / 120 Nickelodeon
    42 / 101 Disney East RTE
    43 / 110 Cartoon Network
    44 / 355 News 8 Doppler Radar
    55 / 450 Golf
    57 / 540 CourtTV
    64 / 555 Turner Classic Movies
    70 / 590 CMT
    72 / 570 MTV
    73 / 585 BET
    74 / 219 Style
    75 / 623 Telemundo
    76 / 622 Galavision
    77 TWC77 (the following are all switched video channels with no analog backup)
    78 Infor
    102 Disney West RTE
    111 Boomerang
    125 Nick Toons
    261 LOGO
    274 TV Superstore
    275 Shop NBC
    277 Revenue Frontier
    278 Men's Channel
    279 Healthy Living
    281 Beauty and Fashion
    284 iShop
    285 The Mall Channel
    286 Resort and Residence
    287 PREVU Channel
    295 The Word Network
    348 News 8 Traffic
    358 News 8 Weather
    359 / 609 News 8 Weather Spanish
    408 News 8 NonStop Sports
    527 FoxReality
    431 Fox Sports Atlantic
    432 Fox Sports Central
    433 Fox Sports Pacific
    434 Fuel
    435 NBA TV
    438 CSTV
    455 Tennis Channel
    460 Speedvision
    490 Outdoor Channel
    601 CNN Espanol
    602 Canal 24
    604 DocuTVE
    606 CanalSur
    609 / 359 News 8 Weather Spanish
    611 Toon Disney Spanish
    612 Cartoon Spanish
    613 Boomerang Spanish
    614 Sorpresa
    617 Fox Sports SW Espanol
    626 TVE International
    629 La Familia
    630 SiTV
    632 Infinito
    633 HTV
    634 Video Rola
    635 Puma
    636 MUN 2
    637 MTV Tres
    640 CineLatino
    644 Discovery Espanol
    645 HITN
    649 EWTN Spanish
    708 HBO WEST
    709 HBOPLUS WEST
    710 HBOSIG WEST
    711 HBFAMILY WEST
    712 HBCOMEDY WEST
    713 HBOZONE WEST
    714 HBLATINO WEST
    723 CINEMAX WEST
    724 MORMAX WEST
    725 ACTNMAX WEST
    726 THRILMAX WEST
    738 SHOW WEST
    739 SHO TOO WEST
    740 SHOWCASE WEST
    741 SHOW EXT WEST
    742 BEYOND WEST
    743 SHOW NEXT-W
    744 WOMEN WEST
    745 SHOW FAMILY WEST
    748 TMC WEST
    749 TMC XTRA WEST
    761 Encore West
    901 Sport PPV-1
    902 Sports PPV-2
    903 Sports PPV-3
    904 Sports PPV-4
    905 Sports PPV-5
    906 Sports PPV-6
    910 NBA
    911 TEAM1
    912 TEAM2
    913 TEAM3
    914 TEAM4
    915 TEAM5
    916 TEAM6
    917 TEAM7
    918 TEAM8
    919 TEAM9
    930 Game 1 (hockey, baseball etc)
    931 Game 2
    932 Game 3
    933 Game 4
    934 Game 5
    935 Game 6
    936 Game 7
    937 Game 8
    938 Game 9
    939 Game 10
    940 Playboy Enhanced
    941 Ten
    942 TenBlox
    943 Ten Clips
    952 IND 2
    1639 Fox Sports HD
    1660 A&E HD
    1664 Music HD
    1675 Cinemax HD
    1684 Starz HD
     
  7. Jul 17, 2007 #67 of 2401
    cwoody222

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    Wow, that's a lot.

    I totally understand the business reasons behind this. Reading the lists and understanding that a lot of the stations using SDV are "niche" stations brings up an interesting point... are minority groups going to resent being "forced" to buy/rent different equipment to have full access to stations that cater to them?

    Sure, it'd be a weak argument because there are plenty of "majority interest" stations like NBC TV and Men's Channel (whatever that is) but I can see the argument being made.

    Right now I don't know what stations use SDV in my area but with an S3, I'd be upset if I couldn't view LOGO. Of course as a gay man I couldn't really complain if Playboy Enhanced was also on SDV... TWC is screwing both the homos and the heteros! :)
     
  8. Jul 17, 2007 #68 of 2401
    bdraw

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    Wow, that is alot of channels, those are confirmed huh?

    I sure hope you filed a complaint with the FCC.
     
  9. Jul 17, 2007 #69 of 2401
    jrm01

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    My franchise authority is considering this because I met with the head and brought it to his attention. I then composed a letter for him to write to Comcast with this (and 10 other concerns). We got a non-commital letter back indicating only that they are considering all options and will notify the public when they are going to make any changes. Their franchise agreement is up for renewal next year and I have requested being on the negotiating committee for the authority.
     
  10. Jul 17, 2007 #70 of 2401
    snowbunny

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    Well, the Playboy Unenhanced is apparently not on SDV. I suppose it features those who haven't had plastic surgery? :p

    I fully intend to complain to the FCC as well as the City Council. TWC's franchise agreement is a bit more restrictive than most although they have left the 20-odd channels they have to provide to the City and County and other local groups, off the SDV list.
     
  11. Jul 17, 2007 #71 of 2401
    bdraw

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    I updated the first post and while that is certainly alot of channels, the only ones I would even care a little about is.

    1639 Fox Sports HD
    1660 A&E HD
    1664 Music HD

    And at this point, there hasn't been anything on any of these that I would watch.
     
  12. Jul 17, 2007 #72 of 2401
    mike_camden

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    Interesting. I believe that your franchise authority is somehow tied into ours (we're in Wheeling, WV, but we're considered part of Comcast Pittsburgh). Im very interested in knowing how this turns out.
     
  13. Jul 17, 2007 #73 of 2401
    vstone

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    Not sure of your musical tastes, but there might be some decent stuff on Music HD. I'm not much into Country Music, byt the CMT show Crossroads is also shown on MHD. I saw Vince Gill & Alison Krauss, Bruce hornsby & Ricky Scaggs, Lionel Richie & Kenny Rogers. You might some decent stuff in there.
     
  14. Jul 17, 2007 #74 of 2401
    MickeS

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    The link to http://www.tivolovers.com/2007/05/1...-to-washington/ still doesn't work in your copy of GoHokies post, since you just copied the text (that doesn't copy the actual URL), so you need to edit that URL to make it work.

    http://www.tivolovers.com/2007/05/10/mr-tivo-goes-to-washington
     
  15. Jul 17, 2007 #75 of 2401
    bdraw

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    bdraw

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    Actually I have enjoyed a few shows on there, but nothing I'd really miss if I didn't have it.
     
  17. Jul 17, 2007 #77 of 2401
    ah30k

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    Not switching too popular is not the same as only switching unpopular. There us a huge middle ground.
     
  18. Jul 18, 2007 #78 of 2401
    aymanme

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    I concur that they could switch everything, but they still have to support and not alienate the more than 1/2 still analog households. Here many of the analog channels are also switched so there is some additional bandwidth cost to support both.

    I never made a statement regarding #1. And in general the CC does know which channels are most popular (otherwise ESPN wouldn't charge the high per-subscriber rates they do).

    There is no reason they cannot switch everyhing. However, SDV's value proposition is that a CC can use their existing infrastructure to support the analog units while reducing the BW needed for their digital tier. At the same time, the BW recouped can be used for digital phone, cable modem, etc. For them not having to upgrade the equip in the houses is a big deal.

    Of course when everything is digital or a box is required for cable then you can switch everything.
     
  19. Jul 18, 2007 #79 of 2401
    sfhub

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    We are talking about 2 different things.

    When folks are talking about switching "everything", they are talking about pros and cons of switching every existing "digital" channel.

    It is a complete separate discussion whether analog should be scrapped in favor of static or switched digital, which is what you are bringing up. At least that is what I think you are bringing up because that is the only way any of this could possibly alienate an analog user, which is your comment.
     
  20. Jul 18, 2007 #80 of 2401
    bdraw

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    We also should pretend like they wont turn off all the analog channels, Comcast has already announced just this in Chicago.

    As for switching everything, the big 5 networks won't be switched, the FCC won't even let them encrypt these channels, never the less convert them to SDV. Then there is the assumption that all the STBs in use are even capable of SDV.
     

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