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SDV FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bdraw, Jul 3, 2007.

  1. Nov 5, 2007 #561 of 2401
    mikeyts

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    I gotta believe that you're talking about extended basic, typically 70 or so channels including things like Discovery, A&E and SciFi. The basic service tier is the 20 or so channels which must include any over-the-air rebroadcasts and which is typically dominated by things like CNN and the community access channels. That's what we're talking about here--the FCC isn't at all talking about making them continue to carry 50 or 60 extended basic channels in analog, none of which they have any requirement to carry in analog (or any other form) as it is. In my system, "limited basic" is $12.95/month.

    We're not talking huge amounts of bandwidth here; this FCC ruling doesn't affect anything except carriage of over-the-air channels, which in most areas is some 5-8 channels.
     
  2. Nov 5, 2007 #562 of 2401
    MichaelK

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    sorry- I'm aware there's lifeline analog (basically the regulated channels) which some people call basic and then extended basic cable which is the analog most people have. I wasn't clear.

    But once you flip the 50 or so channels that are not regulated into the digital tier there's going to be just a tiny amount of people actually with lifeline service. The only place I've ever seen it in real life was in school like 30 years ago. I understand that some elderly also tend to get it. And also some folks with DBS who cant get locals. But still your talking about a tiny amount and they are people that cable probably HATES. They certainly make zilch on those people. So they'de love to jack that price the 5 bucks and get those people to leave.

    Cable doesn't even care if they lose the extended analog people so why would they care about the lifeline people?

    (I think my company gives around 14 channels for 14 bucks or something like that to those people.)
     
  3. Nov 5, 2007 #563 of 2401
    MichaelK

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    I do agree it's a small slice so they might just keep it for the foreseeable future. But at some point those 5-8 channels do mean something when a typical cable system has only room for 125.
     
  4. Nov 5, 2007 #564 of 2401
    cableguy763

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    Most cable co's actually lose money on the basic only subscribers, especially if they even have just one service call a year.
     
  5. Nov 5, 2007 #565 of 2401
    hddude55

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    Is there any "official" estimate when the tuning resolver will be available?

    P.S. I'd really like to keep up with SDV developments and wish people would take discussion of issues unrelated to SDV to other threads. It's hard enough to wade through a lengthy thread like this one.
     
  6. Nov 5, 2007 #566 of 2401
    bicker

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    No, there is no "official" estimate about availability.
     
  7. Nov 6, 2007 #567 of 2401
    CharlesH

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    Nor any "non-official" ones, AFAIK :rolleyes:
     
  8. Nov 6, 2007 #568 of 2401
    bicker

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    Well, non-official estimates abound, ranging all the way up to "never". :)
     
  9. Nov 6, 2007 #569 of 2401
    vstone

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    Let's see. A bunch of channels they get for free, some public access channels, and some shopping channels that they actually get paid to show. My local basic just went up to $21 (yes, I know its as low as $12 in other places). That's $252/year for a mostly marginal quality TV picture using two decade old equipment. And they disasembled our local head end so they have plenty of spare equipment. No crocodile tears here.

    Now this may change if they end up paying for HD locals in Feb 09 (when must carry rules shift to digital carriage), but even then they'll blame to broadcasters while secretly counting the increased margin they can charge.
     
  10. Nov 6, 2007 #570 of 2401
    boywaja

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    I live in fairfax county and am not experiencing that. I can see all the non-sdv HD channels. I dont subscribe to the digiital tiers so I cant comment on them.

    As 3morgans mentions, you're cable cards are probably having cable card issues. Although I don't have any issues like what he is reporting either.
     
  11. Nov 6, 2007 #571 of 2401
    dolfer

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    Agreed! :up:

    I came here to see what's up with the SDV issue and I see a bunch of posts about HD converter boxes, analog cable, digital cable, blah, blah, blah! None of this has anything to do with SDV. Let's stay on point!
     
  12. Nov 6, 2007 #572 of 2401
    MichaelK

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    that's kind of the nature of this place- when a thread with an "important topic" comes along- many people are sitting around waiting forinfo that just isn't coming. So the thread wanders off topic while we listen to the silence. If something real happens it will show up and there will be 10 new pages in a day talking about it. Sorry, doesn't make it right, but just sort of the way it is.

    I'll resist my urge to talk about profitablility on basic cable lines now so we can wait around the 3 months till any facts actually exist to post about....

    :)
     
  13. Nov 6, 2007 #573 of 2401
    mikeyts

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    Personally, I was just going to ignore the comments from the gallery about staying on point. Those of us who have actively participated in the discussion and who have posted facts and rumor when we find them do not do it as a service to those who sit around and listen. If the thread gets too thick with slightly off-topic stuff to suit them, I don't see how that concerns me. (Note that neither dolfer or hddude55 has posted anything else in this thread--their complaints are their sole "contribution" to the discussion).

    Every thread that I participate in I subscribe to and skim every new post as it's made. I use auto-subscribe and occasionally manually subscribe to threads where I have nothing to say and unsubscribe if I lose interest. Closely following threads with little effort is what your User CP is for. If your way of using these forums isn't working for you, maybe you should make a change, but to complain about the course of threads that you didn't start or make any contribution to is just cheeky.
     
  14. Nov 6, 2007 #574 of 2401
    madneon

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    Well I just got off the phone with tivo and was told ( by someone who actually had a clue what sdv was) that tivo boxes WILL NOT be able to receive those channels and what ever you read on the tivo website might be incorrect. SO there you have it ( I really hope he is incorrect) but if not I guess I will still have OTA....
     
  15. Nov 6, 2007 #575 of 2401
    dswallow

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    He's correct. Now. And we all know that's the case. But this thread is talking about the solution to that issue which TiVo is working on now with cable companies (the Tuning Resolver), which TiVo states on their web site is being worked on, and which people here were asking about whether or not there's been any more progress/info provided.
     
  16. Nov 6, 2007 #576 of 2401
    madneon

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    Man I hope this tuning resolver thingee works and comes out soon
     
  17. Nov 6, 2007 #577 of 2401
    MichaelK

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    CURRENTLY you absolutley can not get sdv on ANYTHING but a cable company owned device.

    In the future OCAP devices should work with SDV.

    AND the gist of this thread is IF cable and TiVo can work out the dongle thing then at some magic point in the future the tivo's should be able to deal with it to.
     
  18. Nov 8, 2007 #578 of 2401
    lrhorer

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    I'm sorry, but you are quite misinformed. Scientific Atlanta's upstream communications do not conform to Cable Card 2.0 specs or to OCAP. They don't have to because CableCard 2.0 and OCAP have not been ratified, and no one is required to meet those standards. In fact, the CableCard 2.0 standard does not in fact really exist, because various aspects of its formulation have been rejected by the participating parties. CableCard 1.0 is in effect, but it does not provide standards for upstream communications by the host. The Series III, a large number of TVs, and all of the newest generation of CATV set top boxes all conform to CC 1.0. That does not get you to SDV, and an upstream dongle whihc works with a Scientific Atlanta CATV system will not work with a Motorola CATV system, period.
     
  19. Nov 8, 2007 #579 of 2401
    lrhorer

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    'Absolutely true, which makes CableCard TiVo users an even small percentage of the whole CATV customer base.
     
  20. Nov 8, 2007 #580 of 2401
    lrhorer

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    'No guarantees, but there is little good reason for a CATV company to switch the locals or the highest penetration premium channels to SDV.

    Not if you ask me.

    No. The Series III units are designed to work with OTA and CableCard based HD.

    No.

    No. All S-Cards are just as compatible with SDV as any M-Card.
     

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