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SDV FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bdraw, Jul 3, 2007.

  1. Oct 9, 2007 #441 of 2401
    HiDefGator

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    That just can't be true. What about all those people on this very forum that insisted that SDV would never get any important channels put on it? It was suppose to only be for foreign languages, midget golf, etc.
     
  2. Oct 9, 2007 #442 of 2401
    mikeyts

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    I suspect that you're being facetious, but that assertion was disproved long ago. The heaviest early users of SDV have placed everything except for a few premium subscription tiers in SDV, including stuff like ESPN, HDNet and Discovery.
     
  3. Oct 9, 2007 #443 of 2401
    bdraw

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    I hate to admit it, but HD channels are niche channels, especially the newer ones that have yet to gain viewers.
     
  4. Oct 9, 2007 #444 of 2401
    bicker

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    Good point. Really, until their original series come back around next year, networks like USA are even niche channels. Watched their ratings plummet in the last few weeks.
     
  5. Oct 9, 2007 #445 of 2401
    kramertc

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    I just got a Tivo HD last week and found this out the hard way. It's too bad as I really like the Tivo in every aspect over the rental boxes from TW. I don't care for TBS but if all new HD channels will be in SDV then I'm returning the Tivo.
     
  6. Oct 9, 2007 #446 of 2401
    jsshattuck

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    The 4 new HD stations being added this month are all SDV. I got no indication that the existing HD channels will be converted ti SDV. I couldn't go back to a SA8300HD.

    My hope is that the proposed solution will be implemented soon and it will be a non issue.
     
  7. Oct 10, 2007 #447 of 2401
    bdraw

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    I'm thinking of removing the list all together.

    The problem is that there are so many SDV channels and they change almost constantly the list is almost useless.

    It would make more sense if it wasn't so easy for a CableCo' to switch a channel to/from SDV so easily.
     
  8. Oct 10, 2007 #448 of 2401
    pmiranda

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    It's probably enough to add a note that Cableco's using SDV will likely apply it to any new HD channels. At least that's the case here in Austin, TX.
     
  9. Oct 10, 2007 #449 of 2401
    bicker

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    I disagree. As long as different cable systems use SDV differently, a generalized statement would not be appropriate.
     
  10. Oct 10, 2007 #450 of 2401
    HiDefGator

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    I think it is fair to say that any new HD channels offered on cable will probably be SDV. But I don't think you can go so far as to say existing HD channels will not be moved to SDV. If cable companies are going to spend the money to deply SDV, the only reason not to move existing HD would be to keep S3 owners happy. That's not much of a reason in their minds.
     
  11. Oct 10, 2007 #451 of 2401
    mikeyts

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    That's not entirely true. There are tens of millions of pieces of UDCR equipment out there other than TiVos, and some small percentage of them are being used with CableCARDs. Though you certainly can't count on it, the providers will probably avoid moving cash-cow premiums like the Showtime, HBO, Cinemax and Starz! tiers into SDV because the can't count on any of the CableCARD subs who are paying extra for them now agreeing to take a box in order to get them.
     
  12. Oct 10, 2007 #452 of 2401
    MichaelK

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    unfortunately I think your nunmbers are way high.

    there's only tens of millions of HD equipment in the wild. Only a small percentage of them have cablecard slots. And only a small percentage of those have cablecards in them for a variety of reasons.

    http://www.ncta.com/IssueBrief.aspx?contentId=2711&view=4

    so maybe there's 300,000 or so at the moment. How many of those are going to have HD preminums like HBO/SHO/Cinemax/Stars? Of those some percentage will just grin and bear it and get a new cable box. So the numbers for any one cable company that might give up premium revenue is probably only in the tens of thousands.
     
  13. Oct 10, 2007 #453 of 2401
    bicker

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    The point is that the more popular the channel, the less benefit is derived from putting it on SDV. The optimal assignment to SDV will always be in reverse order of popularity.
     
  14. Oct 10, 2007 #454 of 2401
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    Aren't you still making the assumption they will only SDV some stuff? They might as well SDV everything they legally can if they are going to use SDV. Less benefit is not the same thing as no benefit.
     
  15. Oct 10, 2007 #455 of 2401
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    Absolutely. If they SDV everything, then they're still using the optimal formula I outlined in my message above.
     
  16. Oct 10, 2007 #456 of 2401
    DCIFRTHS

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    Cablevision has added new mainstream HD channels to their line-up using the standard delivery method (no SDV). So far, the only offerings they have put on SDV are the specialty packages.
     
  17. Oct 10, 2007 #457 of 2401
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    Hopefully THAT will be the most common model applied.
     
  18. Oct 10, 2007 #458 of 2401
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    Congress has already had committee meetings to address the fact that SDV and the inability to get CableCard II's working in third-party boxes is in violation of the spirit if not the legal intent of the CableCard regulations. This is in spite of the fact that new generation set-top boxes are supposed to use them as well. Time Warner here in Charlotte indicated to me that their NEW STB's are indeed CableCard II enabled.
     
  19. Oct 11, 2007 #459 of 2401
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    And Congress took what action?
     
  20. Oct 11, 2007 #460 of 2401
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    If you will re-read my posts, you will see I am not leaving anyone out. My request is for an overall solution which covers everyone's needs both today and in the future without limiting the technology's growth and future potential. The USB / RF only solution only makes sense if one wants to dig a deeper hole than the one we are already in, and entrenches an inferior, inherently obsolete design which will just be all that much harder to eliminate a few months down the road. To anyone who hasn't thought through the situation in depth it may seem the easiest solution, but as is often the case the easy solution is not the best. It's often not even the easiest. The fact it may cost more in the short term is not in and of itself a good excuse to force a solution which will cost much, much more in the long term.
     

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